sktibo

03-11-2017, 03:37 AM

This thread is a fun way to see just how Anglo, Saxon, and Scandinavian you are* using your Living DNA results in combination with the data for each region from the POBI. Take your regions, and use them to get an estimate on how much of each category apply to you in total. For example, if you got 10% Cornwall, then from that you would get 0.76% Saxon.

*It should be completely obvious that this is an estimate. If you have a problem with this methodology please do not post your criticisms here. This thread is intended to be something fun to do with your British Living DNA results, not a discussion as to the validity of the results from the POBI. Thanks.

In our previous discussion, we were unable to classify what exactly we should call the remainder. The word "Celtic" came up a lot, but it seemed likely there were other factors, Normans to name one, which may also be mixed in with this remainder. I think it would be best to simply refer to the amount which is not attributed to Scandinavians, Angles, Saxons, or Danes as "Remainder" for the time being. This remainder is: GER6, BEL7, BEL11, FRA12, FRA14, FRA17, SFS31. I'm going to use the average between the Orkney regions, the South Welsh regions, and the NE Scottish regions. Whether or not you would like to add your own percentages to this thread, I hope this spreadsheet information I've transcribed will be of some use or interest. Credit to Avalon for locating the POBI percentages spreadsheet.

A detailed example in case its not 100% clear as to what the idea is: 26.2% was assigned to Northumbria on my Living DNA test. 4.2% is GER3, 10.4% is DEN18, and 12.4% is Scandinavian. So, of this 26.2%, 3.248% is Scandinavia, 1.1% is Saxon, and 2.724% is Anglian or Danish. 19.128% is the Remainder. Do this for the remaining POBI Britain percentages you have to get your total.

PLEASE refer to this document if you have not read it already: http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/nl6.pdf (Really folks, I'm begging you, be familiar with the material before asking any questions about it here)

None of this information is anything I have created myself, please note that GER3 (what I call Saxon) is referred to as Anglo Saxon, and what I call Angles & Danes (DEN18) is also referred to as Anglo Saxon. My reasoning for calling GER3 Saxon is because of higher percentages in Devon and Cornwall than in the more northern parts of England, such as Northumbria, which have relatively higher percentages of DEN18. The kingdom of Wessex was located in SW England, and seeing that Devon has high GER3, I have made the assumption of it being Saxon. Northumbria, as we know, was ruled by Angles, and has a much higher percentage of DEN18 than GER3. Thus, I conclude that it is reasonable to label DEN18 as Angles and Danes. It is not my intention for my own choice of terminology to be a point of discussion. If you don't like it or don't agree with it, call it whatever you like. A safe bet is just "Anglo-Saxon" for both of these, as that's what the POBI does in their paper. I took areas with multiple regions (NE Scotland 1 & 2 for example) and taking the average of those two regions to get the result I have listed for NE Scotland. Also note that it appears the Cumbria and Northumbria had their values switched on the excel sheet, so I reversed them here to correct that. After examining pie charts and graphs from the POBI it was obvious that this was a slight mistake on the part of whoever compiled the excel document.

Cornwall:

GER3 (Saxon): 7.6%

GER6: 11.7%

BEL7: 0.4%

BEL11: 6.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 24.5%

FRA17: 32.9%

DEN18 (Angles & Danes): 9.2%

SFS31: 2.5%

Scandinavian Total: 4.9%

Devon:

GER3 (Saxon): 11.1%

GER6: 11.7%

BEL7: 1.2%

BEL11: 7.2%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.5%

FRA17: 32%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.1%

SFS31: 2.6%

Scandinavian Total: 6.6%

Central/South England:

GER3 (Saxon): 10.4%

GER6: 16.2%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 9%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 9%

FRA17: 33.6%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.3%

SFS31: 1.2%

Scandinavian Total: 9%

Welsh Borders:

GER3 (Saxon): 9.1%

GER6: 18.8%

BEL7: 0.7%

BEL11: 7.8%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 18.4%

FRA17: 25.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes) 10.1%

SFS31: 2.2%

Scandinavian Total: 7.5%

West Yorkshire:

GER3 (Saxon): 8.3%

GER6: 24.8%

BEL7: 0.7%

BEL11: 10.9%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 12.2%

FRA17: 18%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.8%

SFS31: 2.1%

Scandinavian Total: 10.7%

Northumbria:

GER3 (Saxon): 4.2%

GER6: 20.5%

BEL7: 1%

BEL11: 8.1%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.6%

FRA17: 24.7%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 10.4%

SFS31: 2.2%

Scandinavian Total: 12.4%

Cumbria:

GER3 (Saxon): 2.9%

GER6: 21.1%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 11.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.8%

FRA17: 22.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 10.5%

SFS31: 2.6%

Scandinavian Total: 12.4%

South Wales (Combined N & S Pembrokeshire):

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 26.8%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 8.5%

FRA12: 8.25%

FRA14: 37.7%

FRA17: 0%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 5.7%

SFS31: 5.15%

Scandinavian Total: 8%

North Wales:

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 32.4%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 5.5%

FRA12: 3.2%

FRA14: 38.3%

FRA17: 0%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 3.6%

SFS31: 7.1%

Scandinavian Total: 9.4%

Northeast Scotland (Combined NE Scotland 1 & 2):

GER3 (Saxon): 2.2%

GER6: 17.85%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 10.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 21.35%

FRA17: 20.9%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 7.05%

SFS31: 3.7%

Scandinavian Total: 16.1%

Southwest Scotland:

GER3 (Saxon): 1.6%

GER6: 22.1%

BEL7: 0.1%

BEL11: 9.3%

FRA12: 6%

FRA14: 25.3%

FRA17: 8.5%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 7.6%

SFS31: 4%

Scandinavian Total: 15.5%

Northwest Scotland:

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 12.8%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 5.8%

FRA12: 5%

FRA14: 32.1%

FRA17: 17.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 2.8%

SFS31: 2.9%

Scandinavian Total: 21.5%

Orkney (Combined Westray, Orkney1 & Orkney2):

GER3 (Saxon): 1.06%

GER6: 14.8%

BEL7: 0.3%

BEL11: 8.43%

FRA12: 0.26%

FRA14: 22.43%

FRA17: 16.6%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 6.4%

SFS31: 2.9%

Scandinavian Total: 26.83%

SOURCE: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/full/nature14230.html#supplementary-information

Supplementary Table 4. Requires Excel.

*It should be completely obvious that this is an estimate. If you have a problem with this methodology please do not post your criticisms here. This thread is intended to be something fun to do with your British Living DNA results, not a discussion as to the validity of the results from the POBI. Thanks.

In our previous discussion, we were unable to classify what exactly we should call the remainder. The word "Celtic" came up a lot, but it seemed likely there were other factors, Normans to name one, which may also be mixed in with this remainder. I think it would be best to simply refer to the amount which is not attributed to Scandinavians, Angles, Saxons, or Danes as "Remainder" for the time being. This remainder is: GER6, BEL7, BEL11, FRA12, FRA14, FRA17, SFS31. I'm going to use the average between the Orkney regions, the South Welsh regions, and the NE Scottish regions. Whether or not you would like to add your own percentages to this thread, I hope this spreadsheet information I've transcribed will be of some use or interest. Credit to Avalon for locating the POBI percentages spreadsheet.

A detailed example in case its not 100% clear as to what the idea is: 26.2% was assigned to Northumbria on my Living DNA test. 4.2% is GER3, 10.4% is DEN18, and 12.4% is Scandinavian. So, of this 26.2%, 3.248% is Scandinavia, 1.1% is Saxon, and 2.724% is Anglian or Danish. 19.128% is the Remainder. Do this for the remaining POBI Britain percentages you have to get your total.

PLEASE refer to this document if you have not read it already: http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/nl6.pdf (Really folks, I'm begging you, be familiar with the material before asking any questions about it here)

None of this information is anything I have created myself, please note that GER3 (what I call Saxon) is referred to as Anglo Saxon, and what I call Angles & Danes (DEN18) is also referred to as Anglo Saxon. My reasoning for calling GER3 Saxon is because of higher percentages in Devon and Cornwall than in the more northern parts of England, such as Northumbria, which have relatively higher percentages of DEN18. The kingdom of Wessex was located in SW England, and seeing that Devon has high GER3, I have made the assumption of it being Saxon. Northumbria, as we know, was ruled by Angles, and has a much higher percentage of DEN18 than GER3. Thus, I conclude that it is reasonable to label DEN18 as Angles and Danes. It is not my intention for my own choice of terminology to be a point of discussion. If you don't like it or don't agree with it, call it whatever you like. A safe bet is just "Anglo-Saxon" for both of these, as that's what the POBI does in their paper. I took areas with multiple regions (NE Scotland 1 & 2 for example) and taking the average of those two regions to get the result I have listed for NE Scotland. Also note that it appears the Cumbria and Northumbria had their values switched on the excel sheet, so I reversed them here to correct that. After examining pie charts and graphs from the POBI it was obvious that this was a slight mistake on the part of whoever compiled the excel document.

Cornwall:

GER3 (Saxon): 7.6%

GER6: 11.7%

BEL7: 0.4%

BEL11: 6.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 24.5%

FRA17: 32.9%

DEN18 (Angles & Danes): 9.2%

SFS31: 2.5%

Scandinavian Total: 4.9%

Devon:

GER3 (Saxon): 11.1%

GER6: 11.7%

BEL7: 1.2%

BEL11: 7.2%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.5%

FRA17: 32%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.1%

SFS31: 2.6%

Scandinavian Total: 6.6%

Central/South England:

GER3 (Saxon): 10.4%

GER6: 16.2%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 9%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 9%

FRA17: 33.6%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.3%

SFS31: 1.2%

Scandinavian Total: 9%

Welsh Borders:

GER3 (Saxon): 9.1%

GER6: 18.8%

BEL7: 0.7%

BEL11: 7.8%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 18.4%

FRA17: 25.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes) 10.1%

SFS31: 2.2%

Scandinavian Total: 7.5%

West Yorkshire:

GER3 (Saxon): 8.3%

GER6: 24.8%

BEL7: 0.7%

BEL11: 10.9%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 12.2%

FRA17: 18%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 11.8%

SFS31: 2.1%

Scandinavian Total: 10.7%

Northumbria:

GER3 (Saxon): 4.2%

GER6: 20.5%

BEL7: 1%

BEL11: 8.1%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.6%

FRA17: 24.7%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 10.4%

SFS31: 2.2%

Scandinavian Total: 12.4%

Cumbria:

GER3 (Saxon): 2.9%

GER6: 21.1%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 11.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 16.8%

FRA17: 22.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 10.5%

SFS31: 2.6%

Scandinavian Total: 12.4%

South Wales (Combined N & S Pembrokeshire):

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 26.8%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 8.5%

FRA12: 8.25%

FRA14: 37.7%

FRA17: 0%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 5.7%

SFS31: 5.15%

Scandinavian Total: 8%

North Wales:

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 32.4%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 5.5%

FRA12: 3.2%

FRA14: 38.3%

FRA17: 0%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 3.6%

SFS31: 7.1%

Scandinavian Total: 9.4%

Northeast Scotland (Combined NE Scotland 1 & 2):

GER3 (Saxon): 2.2%

GER6: 17.85%

BEL7: 0.5%

BEL11: 10.3%

FRA12: 0%

FRA14: 21.35%

FRA17: 20.9%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 7.05%

SFS31: 3.7%

Scandinavian Total: 16.1%

Southwest Scotland:

GER3 (Saxon): 1.6%

GER6: 22.1%

BEL7: 0.1%

BEL11: 9.3%

FRA12: 6%

FRA14: 25.3%

FRA17: 8.5%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 7.6%

SFS31: 4%

Scandinavian Total: 15.5%

Northwest Scotland:

GER3 (Saxon): 0%

GER6: 12.8%

BEL7: 0%

BEL11: 5.8%

FRA12: 5%

FRA14: 32.1%

FRA17: 17.4%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 2.8%

SFS31: 2.9%

Scandinavian Total: 21.5%

Orkney (Combined Westray, Orkney1 & Orkney2):

GER3 (Saxon): 1.06%

GER6: 14.8%

BEL7: 0.3%

BEL11: 8.43%

FRA12: 0.26%

FRA14: 22.43%

FRA17: 16.6%

DEN18 (Angles/Danes): 6.4%

SFS31: 2.9%

Scandinavian Total: 26.83%

SOURCE: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v519/n7543/full/nature14230.html#supplementary-information

Supplementary Table 4. Requires Excel.