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firemonkey
03-13-2017, 02:36 PM
I am E-Z16664 according to Yfull which is down from E-L17 which in turn is down from E-V13. I know E-V13 has been linked to the Balkans but I don't think E-L17 has and I know nothing of E-Z16664's origins.

Yfull shows.



E-Z16664BY5231/Z16665 * BY5227/Z16664formed 3800 ybp, TMRCA 3800 ybpinfo

id:YF08481
id:YF04326ENG
id:HG01054PUR

With the ENG one being me. Hard to tell whether my Y line is British or from elsewhere in Europe.

03-13-2017, 03:29 PM
I am E-Z16664 according to Yfull which is down from E-L17 which in turn is down from E-V13. I know E-V13 has been linked to the Balkans but I don't think E-L17 has and I know nothing of E-Z16664's origins.

Yfull shows.



E-Z16664BY5231/Z16665 * BY5227/Z16664formed 3800 ybp, TMRCA 3800 ybpinfo

id:YF08481
id:YF04326ENG
id:HG01054PUR

With the ENG one being me. Hard to tell whether my Y line is British or from elsewhere in Europe.

Hi Firemonkey,
Maybe you have already heard about the cluster of Haplogroup E, around the Chester area of UK, and also Abergele, Wales, its been hypothesised, it could be related to Roman legion from the Balkans. Think its been spoken about before here somewhere, but don't know where. Also there is a wiki page on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68

firemonkey
03-13-2017, 04:33 PM
Hi Firemonkey,
Maybe you have already heard about the cluster of Haplogroup E, around the Chester area of UK, and also Abergele, Wales, its been hypothesised, it could be related to Roman legion from the Balkans. Think its been spoken about before here somewhere, but don't know where. Also there is a wiki page on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68

Had heard about this but not sure how it relates to my subclade.

Bane
03-13-2017, 04:49 PM
E-L17 has not been found in the Balkans yet, which minimizes probability for its Balkans origin.
Personally, I doubt that any British E-V13 has Balkans origin. People have lately started seriously considering that E-V13 "homeland" could be in some other part of Europe.

firemonkey
03-13-2017, 05:19 PM
E-L17 has not been found in the Balkans yet, which minimizes probability for its Balkans origin.
Personally, I doubt that any British E-V13 has Balkans origin. People have lately started seriously considering that E-V13 "homeland" could be in some other part of Europe.

What have been the suggestions for an alternative European " homeland" to Balkans for E-V13?

03-13-2017, 05:34 PM
Had heard about this but not sure how it relates to my subclade.
Maybe it does, or maybe it does not.
Mentioned it Because your subclade is further downstream than the cluster tested to be V13 around Chester.

Farroukh
05-07-2017, 07:04 AM
whether my Y line is British or from elsewhere in Europe
Firemonkey, it seems your line is Western Atlantic (Ibero-Biscay-Britannian) branch of E-V13.
According to Lacan 2011 (http://thesesups.ups-tlse.fr/1392/1/2011TOU30177.pdf), oldest (5000 BC) E-V13 a DNA sample in Europe was finded in Avellaner cave, Catalonia.
Maybe, your paternal line descends from that Iberian population and not from Roman soldiers.

firemonkey
05-07-2017, 10:56 AM
Firemonkey, it seems your line is Western Atlantic (Ibero-Biscay-Britannian) branch of E-V13.
According to Lacan 2011 (http://thesesups.ups-tlse.fr/1392/1/2011TOU30177.pdf), oldest (5000 BC) E-V13 a DNA sample in Europe was finded in Avellaner cave, Catalonia.
Maybe, your paternal line descends from that Iberian population and not from Roman soldiers.

Unfortunately I could not read the Lacan pdf as my French isn't up to scratch. Does it mention E-Z16664 or just E-V13?

Farroukh
05-07-2017, 11:19 AM
Does it mention E-Z16664 or just E-V13?
E-V13, 7000 years old remnants . First E-Z16664 was born 4000 years later.

Zanatis
05-10-2017, 01:37 PM
Actually a friend of mine from South Albania is E-17, so yes it found in the Balkans. He has paternal cousins found in North Albania, Montenegro, Peloponnese, and South Italy.

rafc
05-10-2017, 04:01 PM
Wait, L17 in the Balkans? That's big news, it has never been found in numerous tests. Please PM me details if you can (in which company he tested, which clan he belongs to)

Skerdilaidas
05-15-2017, 12:18 AM
Actually a friend of mine from South Albania is E-17, so yes it found in the Balkans. He has paternal cousins found in North Albania, Montenegro, Peloponnese, and South Italy.

You mean E-L17? Where exactly is he from and can you get him to join our project?

eastara
05-15-2017, 04:59 AM
Actually a friend of mine from South Albania is E-17, so yes it found in the Balkans. He has paternal cousins found in North Albania, Montenegro, Peloponnese, and South Italy.

Are you sure he is not actually E-L117, which is equivalent to M35. Those who did not test any SNP are assigned to this by FTDNa.

Zanatis
05-15-2017, 12:26 PM
I checked our conversation again from back then and it was indeed E-L17. Perhaps it was a typo from his side since everyone is surprised.

Trojet
05-15-2017, 05:30 PM
I checked our conversation again from back then and it was indeed E-L17. Perhaps it was a typo from his side since everyone is surprised.

We're not surprised. However, it would be nice to have proof that he is tested as such ;) Not many companies test for that SNP. We don't even know where he tested. If he tested at FTDNA, as eastara pointed out, in the past they would assign the more general "E-L117" (which is equivalent to E-M35), where the V13 mutation descents from. Perhaps he meant to say E-L117 instead of E-L17, which are totally different things in a phylogenetic sense. Additionally, he can join Albanian Bloodlines (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about) if he is tested at FTDNA, iGenea, or Nat Geo Geno 2, so we can verify.

Zanatis
05-16-2017, 05:49 AM
I'll check if I can reach him through facebook and ask him again. He's definitely showing as one of the L17 in US where he tested as I think he didn't write where he comes from.

Is L17 related to Jews as that's what we were discussing when he got the results and he was confused for a while?

firemonkey
05-16-2017, 06:33 AM
As far as I know E-L17 is not related to Jews.

Oliver.s
11-26-2017, 01:20 PM
Hi there

I had my DNA analysed and on one site it's E-M5021. Which has no real information about the people in it. And on another DNA analysis it's E1b1b1a1b3
E-L17

So I can't make any sense of this. And what people and cultures are related to it?

Any ideas here would be great. It's interesting learning from everyone here more about these haplogroups

Thanks

Oliver.s

Oliver.s
12-08-2017, 11:40 AM
Hi everyone.

I had my y chromosome DNA haplogroup results from 23andme and it came back as E-M5021 and then I sent raw dna into morleys y chromosome DNA analyser and was given E1b1b1a3b E-L17
Which is most accurate? And does anyone know anything about E-M5021? It's practically non existent on google.

Thanks

Oliver

tpagano
08-17-2018, 02:00 AM
Hey guys. I recently took a test from 23 and me that showed i too was E-L17. My paternal grandfather was born in sicily. Anyone find out more about E-L17 since this thread started?