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sktibo
03-16-2017, 02:27 AM
Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about the update that was mentioned over one year ago?
http://www.rootsandrecombinantdna.com/2016/03/coming-down-ethnicity-admixture-pike.html?m=1

I know Ancestry is working on genetic communities, which look great, but from what we saw here it looked like a big improvement. I hope they haven't abandoned it.

Any news?
Thanks

jpb
03-16-2017, 03:49 PM
I remember seeing somewhere they're just doing GC's and are abandoning the ethnicity update.

AntG
03-16-2017, 04:28 PM
Merging Great Britain with Europe West would not have been an improvement, in my opinion.

cvolt
03-16-2017, 05:10 PM
I'm tired of these companies being so dodgy with their updates and whatnot, just unprofessional.

sktibo
03-16-2017, 09:04 PM
Merging Great Britain with Europe West would not have been an improvement, in my opinion.

Well, it would have been an improvement because they were going to create central Europe, basically splitting Germany from France and GB / EU would be a Britain France cluster, which would make sense because the two have a lot of genetic overlap. As it stands EW and GB are practically the same category, they're so close it seems almost random as to which one a person will get.

AntG
03-16-2017, 09:33 PM
Well, it would have been an improvement because they were going to create central Europe, basically splitting Germany from France and GB / EU would be a Britain France cluster, which would make sense because the two have a lot of genetic overlap. As it stands EW and GB are practically the same category, they're so close it seems almost random as to which one a person will get. Splitting Germany from France, yes, but not to merge Britain and France unless Ancestry are not able to identify a distinction correctly (or not want to put in the effort/research?); it is interesting as I have a lot more Europe West than GB at Ancestry. If possible, there should be moves to refine areas more, not the opposite. I think it can be done in many cases, LivingDNA have correctly identified Northern Ireland as my largest region and now Ancestry Genetic Communities have also. I do see however that LivingDNA are struggling distinguishing Germany and S.E. England(?). I'm glad LivingDNA are on the scene as it may encourage other providers to get more samples/do more research to refine further?

sktibo
03-16-2017, 09:49 PM
Splitting Germany from France, yes, but not to merge Britain and France unless Ancestry are not able to identify a distinction correctly (or not want to put in the effort/research?); it is interesting as I have a lot more Europe West than GB at Ancestry. If possible, there should be moves to refine areas more, not the opposite. I think it can be done in many cases, LivingDNA have correctly identified Northern Ireland as my largest region and now Ancestry Genetic Communities have also. I do see however that LivingDNA are struggling distinguishing Germany and S.E. England(?). I'm glad LivingDNA are on the scene as it may encourage other providers to get more samples/do more research to refine further?

I've only got 2% Europe West and almost all my Ancestry estimate is GB. My aunt took the Ancestry test too but her results came out almost all EW and a small amount GB. I'm approximately 60% British and my aunt is approximately 80%. IMO Living DNA is great, despite it's current technical difficulties and other issues, as it is moving DNA Testing in the right direction. I've read quite a few posts on the Ancestry forums from people with French ancestry getting Great Britain as their highest percentage. A friend of mine who is mostly French Canadian was very confused when she got over 50% Great Britain. I think it would be a move forward (albeit very small) to merge the two because then at least, they would be being honest and admitting that they can't seem to tell the two apart. Since Europe West is also very often mixed up with GB on ancestry, it would be a good temporary solution on the part of Ancestry to merge them. Not perfect, but I think they'd see a lot less complaints on their forums from people who are born in England wondering why they got Europe West instead of GB. It would be a good quick "fix" errr... bandage, I suppose it wouldn't really be a fix! if they're going to focus on Genetic Communities.

AnnieD
03-17-2017, 02:00 AM
Merging Great Britain with Europe West would not have been an improvement, in my opinion.

I think that a merger of GB & France into a Europe West will cause mass riots in the streets! :P Just look at the beating that 23andMe takes with the French/German "mutt" category. LOL! Genetic ancestry customers by-&-large want more specificity a la POBI - "Living DNA" style. Too many cultural differences as well. :biggrin1:

firemonkey
03-17-2017, 02:12 AM
I just wish these companies wouldn't take so long rolling out their updates. As for separating Europe west and GB, I'm not qualified, knowledge wise, to have much of an opinion.

A question I would ask is does it make sense to separate GB and Ireland ? My paper trail is 50% English and 19% Irish but on Ancestry I get 38% Irish and 15% GB.

Cinnamon orange
03-17-2017, 11:53 AM
I get better recall from 23andme for my German ancestry, one grandfather all German American from immigrants in the 1850-1880 era. About evenly mixed north German, Hesse Kassel, Hanoverian and Brunswick and south Baden Wurtembug with a tiny bit of Swiss.
I get only three percent Europe West on Ancestry :confused:
I get 24 percent British but I do have a grandmother of all recent U.K. Ancestry, mostly northern U.K., Durham, Sheffield a little Welsh and Scottish...
I get 13 percent Scandinavian which is incorrect. They have an issue with overdoing Scandinavian on Ancestry.

The rest is Eastern and southern Europe from my dad's side.

23andme hit the mark better with 14.9 French/German despite the low recall and only 3.1 Scandinavian and 20.5 British and Irish.

I wish Ancestry would update their ethnicity info but it seems they are obsessed with DNA circles and mining people's trees and connections, along with other personal info for a mega bundle to sell.

Solothurn
03-17-2017, 12:38 PM
No update for me as yet!


Great Britain
34%


Scandinavia
28%


Ireland
20%


Europe West
7%



Trace Regions

10%

Italy/Greece
6%


Finland/Northwest Russia
4%


Europe East. 1%

Baltimore1937
03-19-2017, 09:47 PM
Well, Germany is or was not homogeneous. NW Germany (Saxons, Friesians, etc.) would be close to GB. Then they have a Celtic/Keltic substrate in central and southern Germany, as well as a West Slav infusion in the eastern swath. That's my take on it anyway.