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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    As for E-V12 does this mean if we find E-v12 in Lebanon(Moe's case for example) would it signal an ancient migration from its origin or is this more likely as a result of a more recent smaller migration? Also didn't the Phoenicians carry E as well?
    Could be Natufian or Egyptian, like my case. It is said that E-V12 had a direct migration however from Egypt accross the Mediterranean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Could be Natufian or Egyptian, like my case. It is said that E-V12 had a direct migration however from Egypt accross the Mediterranean.
    Would be crazy if it was determined to be Egyptian from the heydays of the Egyptian kingdoms

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    I'd guess it is either Natufian or Egyptian just like Tz85 said.

    Theory #1: Our ancestors inhabited the Levant since 15,000 BP, and became the Natufians. (This theory in my opinion is the most likely.)
    Theory #2: Our ancestors were soldiers from Egypt during the New Kingdom (1550 BC – c. 1077 BC), who settled here. Or were some sort of rulers of regions in the conquered areas.

    -Ahmose did, however, reach at least as far as Kedem (thought to be near Byblos), according to an ostracon in the tomb of his wife, Ahmose-Nefertari.

    -The fifth, sixth and seventh campaigns of Thutmose III were directed against the Phoenician cities in Syria and against Kadesh on the Orontes.

    -Seti I fought a series of wars in western Asia, Libya and Nubia in the first decade of his reign.

    -His first campaign (Ramesses II) seems to have taken place in the fourth year of his reign and was commemorated by the erection of what became the first of the Commemorative stelae of Nahr el-Kalb near what is now Beirut.

    -There is also an account of the same events in the form of a poem from the Merneptah Stele, widely known as the Israel Stele, which makes reference to the supposed utter destruction of Israel in a campaign prior to his 5th year in Canaan: "Israel has been wiped out...its seed is no more."

    Also, If my ancestors have been in this area, since tens of thousands of years, doesn't that automatically make my ancestors among the Phoenicians, or perhaps even Phoenicians themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    Also, If my ancestors have been in this area, since tens of thousands of years, doesn't that automatically make my ancestors among the Phoenicians, or perhaps even Phoenicians themselves?
    It most certainly does. Phoenicians carried Many different types of Haplogroups as a result of more ancient migrations to the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Would be crazy if it was determined to be Egyptian from the heydays of the Egyptian kingdoms
    Egyptian males are found up to 70% E-V12. My guess Natufian/Egyptian in origin. The time fits.
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    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Egyptian males are found up to 70% E-V12. My guess Natufian/Egyptian in origin. The time fits.
    Weren't Egyptians mostly of Levantine origins? In that case, maybe E-V12 originated in the Levant and migrated to Egypt and Nubia and crossed to other countries. Perhaps our ancestors didn't go with the Egyptians to the Nile, and rather favoured sedentary farming in the Levant.

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