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    Quote Originally Posted by Deftextra View Post
    This is what I also assumed about iranian\west-asian traders in the east-african coast. I am from a clan of mixed origin from the southern somali coast. The people who tested so far are r1a1a, G2a and L-M27, J1 (and E-V32 me) paternally. Maternally, all have african Haplogroups, except for 2 people which carry K1a and H14a, which I found a bit strange. Maybe some took their wifes with them or female family members?
    Oh really thats very interesting, I guess someones wife was not very loyal lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertCasey View Post
    Before the Bronze Age time frame - no European ancient remains have been found to be R1b in Europe. But guess what has been found between the ending of the great Ice Age and Bronze Age - you guessed it - Haplogroup E, Q and others. Q has all but disappeared in most of western Europe but it is now believed that some of the haplogroup E found in western Europe is part of these original European haplogroup E which obviously moved there a very long time ago.

    So this means haplogroup E was present in Europe before the Bronze Age - not exactly due to any traders since they were hunter gatherer types. Now this does not mean that all haplogroup E in Europe was early Europeans as a certain amount of Haplogroup E has arrived in Europe by many means after man progressed to more than hunter gatherers (both from Africa and Arab areas). Eventually, as we get more recent branches under Haplogroup E, a lot will be African branches, some will be European and some will be Arab variations under haplogroup E. But this will take a lot of time to discover these more recent branches that can be more safely assigned to different regions of the world. But with the older branches of haplogroup E, all it really means that most are in Africa, some are in Arab areas and some are from Europe.
    I am afraid that this is a common misunderstanding. Currently available data do not support your statement that members of Y-DNA haplogroup E have lived in Europe at a more ancient date than members of Y-DNA haplogroup R1b have lived in Europe. R1b has been found in an Epigravettian context at Villabruna, Veneto, Italy (c. 14,000 ybp) and in an Epicardial Neolithic context at Els Trocs, Aragon, Spain (c. 7,100 ybp). Haplogroup E-V13 has been found in the remains of one individual at the Avellaner cave, Catalonia, Spain (ca. 7,000 ybp) in what should be an Epicardial Neolithic context judging from archaeological remains of contemporary inhabitants of that region.

    Data from living humans (cf. YFull) also fail to support your claim that haplogroup E is older in Europe than haplogroup R1b:

    R-M269 > R-PF7562 vs. R-L23 6500 ybp
    R-L23 > R-Z2103 vs. R-L51 6200 ybp
    R-Z2103 > R-PF331 vs. R-Y4364 vs. R-L584 vs. R-Z2106 6100 ybp
    R-L51 > R-L51* vs. R-Z2118 vs. R-L151 5800 ybp

    R-M417 > R-CTS4385 vs. R-Z645 5500 ybp
    R-Z645 > R-Z93 vs. R-Z283 5000 ybp
    R-CTS4385 > R-FGC9988 [England] vs. R-L664 4700 ybp
    R-Z93 > R-Z93* [Italy & Russia] vs. R-YP1451 [England] vs. R-YP5321 [Poland] vs. R-YP1506 [Lahore, Pakistan & Altai Republic, Russia] vs. R-KMS149 [Altai Krai, Russia] vs. R-YP5578 [England] vs. R-Z94 [ubiquitous] 4700 ybp

    I1-Z2864 > I-Z17954 vs. I-DF29 4600 ybp

    E-V13 > E-V13(xCTS1273) vs. E-CTS1273 5400 ybp
    E-CTS1273 > E-CTS1273* vs. E-Y16729 vs. E-Y19508 vs. E-S7461 vs. E-L540 vs. E-Z5017 vs. E-Z5018 4100 ybp

    I-Y16419 > I-Y16419* [Armenia & Erzurum, Turkey] vs. I-BY2818 [Kakheti, Georgia] vs. I-Y16418 [Armenia & Sofia, Bulgaria] 4000 ybp

    The most common type of haplogroup E Y-DNA in modern Europeans is E-CTS1273, whose expansion appears to be more recent than that of modern European R1b or modern European R1a. E-V13 as a whole is a better chronological match for European R1b and R1a, but E-V13(xCTS1273) is not very common among populations represented on YFull. Note that the estimated time of deposition of the E-V13 specimen from Avellaner cave in Catalonia (c. 7,000 ybp) predates the estimated TMRCA of E-V13(xCTS1273) and E-CTS1273 according to YFull (c. 5,400 ybp). Furthermore, an even more basal E-L618(xV13) individual (YF03299 from Bauskas, Latvia) is also represented on YFull; his estimated TMRCA with E-V13 is 7,600 ybp. (I do not know whether YF03299 is of ancient Baltic ancestry or rather of German, Jewish, or other recent foreign ancestry.) In any case, it is quite misleading to claim that extant European haplogroup E has deeper roots in Europe than extant European R1b.

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    Turns out the E2b on promethease is just a glitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saba123 View Post
    Turns out the E2b on Promethease is just a glitch.
    J2 sure as hell makes a lot more sense for an Iranian! BTW, did you actually test with 23andme and/or with FTDNA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    J2 sure as hell makes a lot more sense for an Iranian! BTW, did you actually test with 23andme and/or with FTDNA?
    Ikr lol I was so confused. I used AncestryDNA actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saba123 View Post
    Ikr lol I was so confused. I used AncestryDNA actually.
    Did you find out your actual Y-DNA haplogroup with the Morley predictor then?
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    No, I first found it on Wegene and then I looked up all SNPs manually to check.

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    saba123 i thought you were E bummer
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    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
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    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
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