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    Technically am I part east African or not?

    I'm just curious? I thought I was maybe because I did ancestrydna and the range given was 0-7% eastern Bantu. And every time I put my raw data somewhere I get an east African result.
    On DNA.land 12% east African 2.4% north African and 1.7% ambiguous west Eurasian. On gedmatch its all over the place. My eurogene and k7 was 67% east Africa. And 17% west Africa. But my mom did 23andme and she got no east African but got a l3 haplogroup maternal of course. I was comparing her results to mine hers having more Nigerian and because most Nigerians have north African heritage she has more north Africa heritage but less east. As far as distance. So I expect to not get any east African on 23andme. But its odd because ive gotten it everywhere else on low numbers but I consistently get a number. I don't see also how my dad could be giving all the east African heritage as he was black american too. So does it mean I do or don't have east African heritage. And if I do how did it get there?


    Here's a few from gedmatch
    Mdlp
    Population Percent
    1 African 90.25
    2 Basal 3.61
    3 EHG 1.85
    4 Neolithic 1.75
    5 WHG 1.65

    (735) End of data. popN=151

    Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
    11 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.755966
    2 Ancient_Denisova @ 10.867836
    3 Ancient_Neandertal @ 10.867836
    4 Denisovan @ 10.867836
    5 Neandertal_Altai @ 10.867836
    6 Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 10.867836
    7 Oase1_Upper_Paleolithic @ 80.945320
    8 Ancient_Australian @ 84.853439
    9 GoyetQ376_19_Gravettian @ 90.150833
    10 Ust_Ishim_Upper_ @ 90.376945
    11 Cioclovina1_Paleolithic @ 91.422401
    12 Vestonice14_Gravettian @ 91.622078
    13 Paglicci138_Gravettian @ 91.993362
    14 Kostenki14_Upper_Paleolithic @ 95.345718
    15 Kostenki12_Upper_Paleolithic @ 95.753815
    16 GoyetQ53_1_Gravettian @ 95.872131
    17 Armenia_MBA @ 96.087646
    18 Russia_LBA @ 96.874649
    19 GoyetQ56_16_Gravettian @ 96.975967
    20 Vestonice16_Gravettian @ 97.571526

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Mota_EastAfrica +50% Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.755966


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Mota_EastAfrica +25% Mota_EastAfrica +25% Neandertal_Altai @ 4.820940


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++
    1 Ancient_Denisova + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 4.820940
    2 Ancient_Neandertal + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 4.820940
    3 Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 4.820940
    4 Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai @ 4.820940
    5 Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 4.820940
    6 Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.755966
    7 Ancient_Denisova + Ancient_Denisova + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    8 Ancient_Denisova + Ancient_Neandertal + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    9 Ancient_Denisova + Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    10 Ancient_Denisova + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai @ 5.839601
    11 Ancient_Denisova + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 5.839601
    12 Ancient_Neandertal + Ancient_Neandertal + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    13 Ancient_Neandertal + Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    14 Ancient_Neandertal + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai @ 5.839601
    15 Ancient_Neandertal + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 5.839601
    16 Denisovan + Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica @ 5.839601
    17 Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai @ 5.839601
    18 Denisovan + Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 5.839601
    19 Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai + Neandertal_Altai @ 5.839601
    20 Mota_EastAfrica + Mota_EastAfrica + Neandertal_Altai + Neandertal_Mezmaiskaya @ 5.8

    Eurogene
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 80.50
    2 Northeast_African 6.86
    3 North_Atlantic 3.46
    4 Baltic 2.45
    5 West_Asian 1.48
    6 East_Med 1.17
    7 Siberian 1.11
    8 Red_Sea 1.05


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bantu_S.W. @ 9.347563
    2 Mandenka @ 9.561150
    3 Bantu_S.E. @ 9.868145
    4 Biaka_Pygmy @ 15.169652
    5 Yoruban @ 15.916753
    6 Yoruban @ 15.916753
    7 Luhya @ 20.381702
    8 Bantu_N.E. @ 21.128548
    9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 30.185829
    10 San @ 39.840244
    11 Sandawe @ 61.010647
    12 Sudanese @ 63.954697
    13 Maasai @ 68.999092
    14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 69.374374
    15 Hadza @ 73.879906
    16 Mozabite_Berber @ 78.514175
    17 Algerian @ 80.087151
    18 Tunisian @ 80.175728
    19 Moroccan @ 81.825874
    20 Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 85.423195

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_S.E. +50% Mandenka @ 8.559681


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_S.E. +25% Mandenka +25% Mandenka @ 8.559681


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
    1 Bantu_N.E. + Mandenka + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 7.804065
    2 Luhya + Mandenka + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 7.923984
    3 Bantu_N.E. + Mandenka + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.192817
    4 Bantu_N.E. + Mandenka + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.192817
    5 Biaka_Pygmy + Mandenka + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.306330
    6 Luhya + Mandenka + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.377738
    7 Luhya + Mandenka + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.377738
    8 Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.W. + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.461563
    9 Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.W. + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.503724
    10 Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.W. + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.503724
    11 Bantu_S.W. + Luhya + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.534163
    12 Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E. + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.554821
    13 Bantu_N.E. + Bantu_S.E. + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.554821
    14 Bantu_S.E. + Bantu_S.E. + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.559681
    15 Bantu_S.W. + Biaka_Pygmy + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.593238
    16 Mandenka + Mandenka + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yoruban @ 8.599491
    17 Mandenka + Mandenka + Mbuti_Pygmy + Yoruban @ 8.599491
    18 Bantu_S.E. + Biaka_Pygmy + Mandenka + Mandenka @ 8.633697
    19 Bantu_S.W. + Luhya + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.642373
    20 Bantu_S.W. + Luhya + Mandenka + Yoruban @ 8.642373

    Dodecad
    Neo_African 52.17
    2 Palaeo_African 27.79
    3 East_African 10.00
    4 West_European 2.52
    5 Northwest_African 2.49
    6 East_European 2.44


    Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Kaba @ 7.345168
    2 Hausa @ 7.879667
    3 LWK @ 8.547435
    4 Brong @ 8.933190
    5 Bamoun @ 9.045905
    6 Kongo @ 9.189975
    7 Igbo @ 9.352592
    8 Luhya @ 9.451220
    9 Fang @ 10.268620
    10 Luhya @ 10.368901
    11 ASW @ 10.713162
    12 Bambaran @ 10.928595
    13 Mada @ 11.536070
    14 Nguni @ 12.317697
    15 Dogon @ 12.797853
    16 Pedi @ 12.893949
    17 Yoruba @ 14.866627
    18 Xhosa @ 14.879812
    19 Sotho_Tswana @ 17.985327
    20 Alur @ 18.328022

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% ASW +50% Hausa @ 4.082717


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% ASW +25% Hausa +25% Kaba @ 3.988744


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 ASW + YRI + Mandenka + SANDAWE @ 3.550717
    2 ASW + Mandenka + YRI + SANDAWE @ 3.601104
    3 ASW + Kongo + Mandenka + Hema @ 3.624646
    4 ASW + Fang + Mandenka + Hema @ 3.641779
    5 ASW + Bamoun + Mandenka + Hema @ 3.643167
    6 ASW + Igbo + Mandenka + Hema @ 3.683405
    7 ASW + YRI + Bambaran + Hema @ 3.683838
    8 ASW + Yoruba + YRI + SANDAWE @ 3.687657
    9 ASW + YRI + Igbo + Hema @ 3.697798
    10 ASW + Yoruba + Yoruba + SANDAWE @ 3.700992
    11 ASW + Yoruba + Igbo + Hema @ 3.711784
    12 ASW + YRI + Dogon + Hema @ 3.714480
    13 ASW + YRI + Hausa + Hema @ 3.722695
    14 ASW + Yoruba + Yoruba + Hema @ 3.727248
    15 ASW + YRI + Brong + Hema @ 3.731762
    16 ASW + Mandenka + Kongo + Hema @ 3.741680
    17 ASW + Yoruba + Mandenka + SANDAWE @ 3.751527
    18 ASW + Bamoun + Mandenka + Hema @ 3.751572
    19 ASW + Mandenka + Igbo + Hema @ 3.759575
    20 ASW + Mandenka + Fang + Hema @ 3.773733
    Harrapworld
    Population Percent
    1 W-African 80.18
    2 E-African 5.39
    3 NE-Euro 4.49
    4 Pygmy 2.85
    5 Mediterranean 1.95
    6 San 1.18


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 african-caribbean @ 7.453026
    2 fang @ 9.130982
    3 kongo @ 9.318026
    4 african-american @ 10.121392
    5 kaba @ 10.422908
    6 bamoun @ 10.494648
    7 mandenka @ 13.616655
    8 hausa @ 14.353074
    9 igbo @ 16.765463
    10 bambaran @ 17.186022
    11 brong @ 17.999645
    12 bantusouthafrica @ 18.520073
    13 dogon @ 18.856377
    14 pedi @ 19.051910
    15 yoruba @ 20.244905
    16 yoruba @ 20.278992
    17 nguni @ 20.577114
    18 yoruba @ 20.891768
    19 fulani @ 29.795555
    20 bantukenya @ 30.005489

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% african-american +50% bamoun @ 3.556196


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% african-american +25% kaba +25% mandenka @ 1.544155


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 african-american + african-american + kaba + mandenka @ 1.544155
    2 african-american + african-american + hausa + kaba @ 1.610337
    3 african-american + african-american + igbo + kaba @ 1.721702
    4 african-american + african-american + bambaran + kaba @ 1.788546
    5 african-american + african-american + brong + kaba @ 1.821671
    6 african-american + african-american + dogon + kaba @ 1.952594
    7 african-american + african-caribbean + african-caribbean + kaba @ 2.068585
    8 african-american + african-american + kaba + yoruba @ 2.165317
    9 african-american + african-american + kaba + yoruba @ 2.166005
    10 african-american + african-american + kaba + yoruba @ 2.292922
    11 african-american + african-american + bamoun + kaba @ 2.413597
    12 african-american + african-caribbean + kaba + kongo @ 2.432513
    13 african-american + african-caribbean + fang + kaba @ 2.480652
    14 african-american + african-caribbean + bamoun + kaba @ 2.573229
    15 african-caribbean + african-caribbean + african-caribbean + bantukenya @ 2.766992
    16 african-american + african-caribbean + bantukenya + yoruba @ 2.818538
    17 african-american + african-caribbean + bantukenya + yoruba @ 2.856626
    18 african-american + african-caribbean + bantukenya + yoruba @ 2.860527
    19 african-american + african-american + fang + mandenka @ 2.939170
    20 african-american + african-american + fang + hausa @ 2.944468

    Done.


    Ethiohelix

    West-Africa 33.63
    2 Eastern-Bantu 23.54
    3 Nilo-Saharan 8.53
    4 Palestinian 8.45
    5 Biaka-Pygmy 7.50
    6 Omotic 6.10
    7 Khoi-San 4.28
    8 East-Africa1 3.80
    9 Hadza 2.22
    10 Mbuti-Pygmy 1.93


    Finished reading population data. 59 populations found.
    10 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 fang @ 20.726992
    2 bamoun @ 23.128666
    3 kongo @ 23.899878
    4 kaba @ 25.457239
    5 mada @ 30.653500
    6 igbo @ 32.013931
    7 hausa @ 32.099525
    8 hema @ 32.905907
    9 bantusouthafrica @ 34.056313
    10 pedi @ 37.427677
    11 xhosa @ 39.205357
    12 fulani @ 40.235821
    13 yoruba @ 40.402130
    14 yoruba @ 40.402130
    15 bantukenya @ 41.403721
    16 nguni @ 41.642796
    17 alur @ 43.509949
    18 brong @ 44.230007
    19 sotho/tswana @ 44.494450
    20 bambaran @ 47.283623

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% brong +50% hema @ 10.709973


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% fang +25% fulani +25% hema @ 6.805731


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 EtO + fang + mandenka + nguni @ 4.687500
    2 ethiopian-jews + fang + fang + kaba @ 4.830451
    3 EtO + bambaran + bantusouthafrica + fang @ 4.926852
    4 bambaran + bantusouthafrica + ethiopian-jews + fang @ 4.983675
    5 EtO + fang + mandenka + pedi @ 5.036631
    6 EtA + fang + fang + kaba @ 5.044045
    7 EtT + fang + fang + kaba @ 5.074868
    8 ethiopian-jews + fang + mandenka + nguni @ 5.089236
    9 ethiopian-jews + fang + kaba + kongo @ 5.094421
    10 EtO + bambaran + fang + pedi @ 5.177688
    11 EtO + bantusouthafrica + brong + fang @ 5.256217
    12 EtA + fang + kaba + kongo @ 5.270682
    13 EtA + bambaran + bantusouthafrica + fang @ 5.308264
    14 EtO + bantusouthafrica + fang + mandenka @ 5.342505
    15 EtT + fang + kaba + kongo @ 5.344221
    16 bantusouthafrica + ethiopian-jews + fang + mandenka @ 5.373762
    17 EtT + bambaran + bantusouthafrica + fang @ 5.394906
    18 ethiopian-jews + fang + mandenka + pedi @ 5.418949
    19 EtA + fang + mandenka + nguni @ 5.465291
    20 EtT + fang + mandenka + nguni @ 5.520326


    In two form
    1% bamoun + 28.9% EtO @ 7.72
    2 73.5% fang + 26.5% EtO @ 8.37
    3 74.5% bamoun + 25.5% ethiopian-jews @ 8.39
    4 62.7% hema + 37.3% mandenka @ 8.4
    5 75.1% bamoun + 24.9% EtA @ 8.53
    6 59.4% hema + 40.6% bambaran @ 8.58
    7 75.1% bamoun + 24.9% EtT @ 8.6
    8 57.8% hema + 42.2% brong @ 8.62
    9 76.6% fang + 23.4% ethiopian-jews @ 8.63
    10 77.2% fang + 22.8% EtA @ 8.82
    11 77.2% fang + 22.8% EtT @ 8.87
    12 70.9% kongo + 29.1% EtO @ 9.17
    13 77% fang + 23% EtO-P @ 9.27
    14 64.5% hema + 35.5% dogon @ 9.35
    15 75% bamoun + 25% EtO-P @ 9.4
    16 77.9% fang + 22.1% Afar @ 9.44
    17 78.3% fang + 21.7% EtA-P @ 9.6
    18 78.8% fang + 21.2% EtT-P @ 9.67
    19 75.9% bamoun + 24.1% Afar @ 9.69
    20 77.5% fang + 22.5% Somali @ 9.83

    Puntdnal

    Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 84.28
    2 Anatolian_NF 5.76
    3 South_African_HG 3.82
    4 East_Asian 2.05
    5 European_HG 1.81
    6 Siberian 1.59


    Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 NE_Bantu @ 7.737766
    2 African_American @ 11.004911
    3 Mandinka @ 12.184922
    4 Esan @ 13.014538
    5 Bambaran @ 13.944859
    6 Yoruba @ 15.912828
    7 Yoruba @ 15.912828
    8 Maasai @ 27.486055
    9 Somali @ 47.385143
    10 Oromo @ 50.241108
    11 Ethiopian @ 56.302761
    12 Somali_Benadiri @ 60.027298
    13 Algerian @ 77.267273
    14 Saharawi @ 78.282959
    15 Tunisian @ 80.075768
    16 Mozabite_Berber @ 80.288460
    17 Yemeni @ 80.788322
    18 Egyptian @ 86.416183
    19 BedouinA @ 89.587296
    20 Jordanian @ 92.186104

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% African_American +50% NE_Bantu @ 5.048824


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% African_American +25% Mandinka +25% NE_Bantu @ 4.863750


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++
    1 African_American + African_American + Mandinka + NE_Bantu @ 4.863750
    2 African_American + African_American + Esan + NE_Bantu @ 4.934703
    3 African_American + African_American + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu @ 5.048824
    4 African_American + African_American + Bambaran + NE_Bantu @ 5.049407
    5 African_American + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu @ 5.131821
    6 African_American + African_American + NE_Bantu + Yoruba @ 5.276726
    7 African_American + African_American + NE_Bantu + Yoruba @ 5.276726
    8 African_American + African_American + Mandinka + Mandinka @ 5.353504
    9 African_American + African_American + Esan + Mandinka @ 5.452542
    10 African_American + African_American + Esan + Esan @ 5.566681
    11 African_American + Mandinka + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu @ 5.606389
    12 African_American + African_American + Bambaran + Mandinka @ 5.645834
    13 African_American + African_American + Bambaran + Esan @ 5.756140
    14 African_American + Esan + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu @ 5.804250
    15 African_American + African_American + Bambaran + Bambaran @ 5.960568
    16 African_American + Bambaran + NE_Bantu + NE_Bantu @ 5.975746
    17 African_American + Maasai + Mandinka + Yoruba @ 6.023379
    18 African_American + Maasai + Mandinka + Yoruba @ 6.023379
    19 African_American + African_American + Mandinka + Yoruba @ 6.026528
    20 African_American + African_American + Mandinka + Yoruba @ 6.026528



    Gedrosia
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub_Saharan 86.57
    2 Natufian 6.31
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 2.56
    4 East_Asian 2.43
    5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.65


    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Hadza @ 5.437670
    2 Mota @ 6.873719
    3 Gambian @ 12.014157
    4 Esan @ 15.343734
    5 Yoruba @ 15.343734
    6 Masai @ 18.026472
    7 Somali @ 38.900890
    8 Moroccan @ 72.771545
    9 Saharawi @ 74.132614
    10 Algerian @ 76.229523
    11 Yemeni @ 81.858925
    12 Libyan @ 82.348267
    13 Egyptian @ 85.309677
    14 GoyetQ116 @ 90.621780
    15 BedouinA @ 91.038185
    16 Jordanian @ 93.638123
    17 Syrian @ 94.541115
    18 Palestinian @ 94.847740
    19 Lebanese @ 96.696678
    20 Turkmen @ 96.780220

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Esan +50% Masai @ 3.539310


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hadza +25% Hadza +25% Yoruba @ 1.828006


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Esan + Hadza + Hadza + Hadza @ 1.828006
    2 Hadza + Hadza + Hadza + Yoruba @ 1.828006
    3 Gambian + Hadza + Hadza + Hadza @ 2.167377
    4 Esan + Hadza + Hadza + Mota @ 2.466245
    5 Hadza + Hadza + Mota + Yoruba @ 2.466245
    6 Gambian + Gambian + Hadza + Masai @ 2.654469
    7 Gambian + Hadza + Hadza + Mota @ 2.668219
    8 Esan + Gambian + Hadza + Masai @ 2.789012
    9 Gambian + Hadza + Masai + Yoruba @ 2.789012
    10 Esan + Esan + Hadza + Masai @ 3.184491
    11 Esan + Hadza + Masai + Yoruba @ 3.184491
    12 Gambian + Gambian + Masai + Mota @ 3.190006
    13 Esan + Gambian + Masai + Mota @ 3.348303
    14 Gambian + Masai + Mota + Yoruba @ 3.348303
    15 Esan + Gambian + Gambian + Somali @ 3.396306
    16 Gambian + Gambian + Somali + Yoruba @ 3.396306
    17 Esan + Esan + Gambian + Somali @ 3.502308
    18 Esan + Gambian + Somali + Yoruba @ 3.502308
    19 Gambian + Gambian + Gambian + Somali @ 3.526976
    20 Esan + Esan + Masai + Masai @ 3.539310

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaderose22 View Post
    I'm just curious? I thought I was maybe because I did ancestrydna and the range given was 0-7% eastern Bantu. And every time I put my raw data somewhere I get an east African result.
    On DNA.land 12% east African 2.4% north African and 1.7% ambiguous west Eurasian. On gedmatch its all over the place. My eurogene and k7 was 67% east Africa. And 17% west Africa. But my mom did 23andme and she got no east African but got a l3 haplogroup maternal of course. I was comparing her results to mine hers having more Nigerian and because most Nigerians have north African heritage she has more north Africa heritage but less east. As far as distance. So I expect to not get any east African on 23andme. But its odd because ive gotten it everywhere else on low numbers but I consistently get a number. I don't see also how my dad could be giving all the east African heritage as he was black american too. So does it mean I do or don't have east African heritage. And if I do how did it get there?
    Yes and No:

    -Ancestry DNA's "Eastern-Bantu" cluster includes Angola, so this wouldn't be completely indicative of East-African Ancestry

    - According to the creator of the eurogene ANE k7 calculator, this calc is "specifically designed to estimate Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry". A lot of GEDmatch admix calculators are a work in progress or geared specifically to render participants of select ancestry -- it can be a bit of a hit or miss in terms of accuracy, if you're admixture wasn't the main focus of a particular calc -- that might be the case for this calc; I'm also getting an exaggerated "East African" affinity.

    -Not all Nigerians have North African ancestry, in fact, the majority don't apart from some ethnic groups within or strongly connected to Northern regions (that would include Chadic speakers found also in the east).

    You might find this useful - it's my favourite blog and probably the best one out there for comparing Afro-Diasporan results with commercial DNA companies (ADNA, 23andMe etc): Tracing African Roots

    It's worth noting, there's non-negligible East-African (Nilo-Saharan) ancestry found in native West-African populations -- you can notice this within the population spreadsheet for the afmd K8 calc' *the highest are around the Sahel (Nigerian_Fulani, Mali_Bambara) but the average among the Nigerian_Igbo are also noteworthy (~3%).

    In short, your East-African affinity seems consistent but wouldn't forcibly imply "recent"/modern East-African ancestry in a genealogical time frame.

    Conversely, this affinity might indeed be fairly recent (<200 years) due to the East-African slave trade -- there's very little historical documentation compared to the West-African Atlantic Slave Trade but mtDNA and autosmal DNA seem to given a high probability of it's extent across the Atlantic. Some references place the East-African amount of all the Atlantic Slave Trade at < ~5%.

    There's also quite a few blogs from African-Americans and Hispanics reporting Malagasy ancestry within a genealogical time-frame -- who knows, maybe that might explain a part of your E_Asian affinity (*don't quote me on that though: Got Roots in Madagascar?

    My parents are from Central-East Africa but have found distant African-American and Hispanic matches. Our closest distant GEDmatches (>10cM) trace themselves to a family in Roanoke County, Alabama. The verdict is still out on whether or not these are IBD or IBS matches (ie. true or false) but I'm betting on the former -- we're currently having more family members tested to see what happens.

    *Regardless of my personal outcome, I've come across a good number of East-Africans on GEDmatch with AA matches (>10cM).

    If you're interested, feel free to follow the sub-thread -- it delves into the topic in more detail and has some great input and rebuttals from other members: Echoes of the East-African Slave Trade - Distant Diasporic Matches - IBS or IBD?

    Out of curiosity, what's your admix results using puntDNAL's K8 African only? I find it's "Nilo-Saharan" cluster to render accurate results.
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    On ancestrydna Angola is included with the Khoisan not eastern Bantu of which I got less than 1% estimate of. 0-2% range


    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    Yes and No:

    -Ancestry DNA's "Eastern-Bantu" cluster includes Angola, so this wouldn't be completely indicative of East-African Ancestry

    - According to the creator of the eurogene ANE k7 calculator, this calc is "specifically designed to estimate Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry". A lot of GEDmatch admix calculators are a work in progress or geared specifically to render participants of select ancestry -- it can be a bit of a hit or miss in terms of accuracy, if you're admixture wasn't the main focus of a particular calc -- that might be the case for this calc; I'm also getting an exaggerated "East African" affinity.

    -Not all Nigerians have North African ancestry, in fact, the majority don't apart from some ethnic groups within or strongly connected to Northern regions (that would include Chadic speakers found also in the east).

    You might find this useful - it's my favourite blog and probably the best one out there for comparing Afro-Diasporan results with commercial DNA companies (ADNA, 23andMe etc): Tracing African Roots

    It's worth noting, there's non-negligible East-African (Nilo-Saharan) ancestry found in native West-African populations -- you can notice this within the population spreadsheet for the afmd K8 calc' *the highest are around the Sahel (Nigerian_Fulani, Mali_Bambara) but the average among the Nigerian_Igbo are also noteworthy (~3%).

    In short, your East-African affinity seems consistent but wouldn't forcibly imply "recent"/modern East-African ancestry in a genealogical time frame.

    Conversely, this affinity might indeed be fairly recent (<200 years) due to the East-African slave trade -- there's very little historical documentation compared to the West-African Atlantic Slave Trade but mtDNA and autosmal DNA seem to given a high probability of it's extent across the Atlantic. Some references place the East-African amount of all the Atlantic Slave Trade at < ~5%.

    There's also quite a few blogs from African-Americans and Hispanics reporting Malagasy ancestry within a genealogical time-frame -- who knows, maybe that might explain a part of your E_Asian affinity (*don't quote me on that though: Got Roots in Madagascar?

    My parents are from Central-East Africa but have found distant African-American and Hispanic matches. Our closest distant GEDmatches (>10cM) trace themselves to a family in Roanoke County, Alabama. The verdict is still out on whether or not these are IBD or IBS matches (ie. true or false) but I'm betting on the former -- we're currently having more family members tested to see what happens.

    *Regardless of my personal outcome, I've come across a good number of East-Africans on GEDmatch with AA matches (>10cM).

    If you're interested, feel free to follow the sub-thread -- it delves into the topic in more detail and has some great input and rebuttals from other members: Echoes of the East-African Slave Trade - Distant Diasporic Matches - IBS or IBD?

    Out of curiosity, what's your admix results using puntDNAL's K8 African only? I find it's "Nilo-Saharan" cluster to render accurate results.

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    Yes and No:

    -Ancestry DNA's "Eastern-Bantu" cluster includes Angola, so this wouldn't be completely indicative of East-African Ancestry

    - According to the creator of the eurogene ANE k7 calculator, this calc is "specifically designed to estimate Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry". A lot of GEDmatch admix calculators are a work in progress or geared specifically to render participants of select ancestry -- it can be a bit of a hit or miss in terms of accuracy, if you're admixture wasn't the main focus of a particular calc -- that might be the case for this calc; I'm also getting an exaggerated "East African" affinity.

    -Not all Nigerians have North African ancestry, in fact, the majority don't apart from some ethnic groups within or strongly connected to Northern regions (that would include Chadic speakers found also in the east).

    You might find this useful - it's my favourite blog and probably the best one out there for comparing Afro-Diasporan results with commercial DNA companies (ADNA, 23andMe etc): Tracing African Roots

    It's worth noting, there's non-negligible East-African (Nilo-Saharan) ancestry found in native West-African populations -- you can notice this within the population spreadsheet for the afmd K8 calc' *the highest are around the Sahel (Nigerian_Fulani, Mali_Bambara) but the average among the Nigerian_Igbo are also noteworthy (~3%).

    In short, your East-African affinity seems consistent but wouldn't forcibly imply "recent"/modern East-African ancestry in a genealogical time frame.

    Conversely, this affinity might indeed be fairly recent (<200 years) due to the East-African slave trade -- there's very little historical documentation compared to the West-African Atlantic Slave Trade but mtDNA and autosmal DNA seem to given a high probability of it's extent across the Atlantic. Some references place the East-African amount of all the Atlantic Slave Trade at < ~5%.

    There's also quite a few blogs from African-Americans and Hispanics reporting Malagasy ancestry within a genealogical time-frame -- who knows, maybe that might explain a part of your E_Asian affinity (*don't quote me on that though: Got Roots in Madagascar?

    My parents are from Central-East Africa but have found distant African-American and Hispanic matches. Our closest distant GEDmatches (>10cM) trace themselves to a family in Roanoke County, Alabama. The verdict is still out on whether or not these are IBD or IBS matches (ie. true or false) but I'm betting on the former -- we're currently having more family members tested to see what happens.

    *Regardless of my personal outcome, I've come across a good number of East-Africans on GEDmatch with AA matches (>10cM).

    If you're interested, feel free to follow the sub-thread -- it delves into the topic in more detail and has some great input and rebuttals from other members: Echoes of the East-African Slave Trade - Distant Diasporic Matches - IBS or IBD?

    Out of curiosity, what's your admix results using puntDNAL's K8 African only? I find it's "Nilo-Saharan" cluster to render accurate results.
    That's the thing though in some calculators I have a closer affinity to east African than the Fulani people I see how my mom compares to me her results had more north African and less east African and she had closer distance to the Fulani and the Hausa and Yoruba and Igbo people. It also appears my family is Hausa. Which is who I was reffering to. Here's my Oracle. No matter where I go I got an east African component it seems especially with Kenyans.


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Benue_Congo 54.22
    2 E_Benue_Congo 22.30
    3 Western_Semitic 10.03
    4 Nilo_Saharan 4.30
    5 Southern_HG 3.23
    6 Ubangian_Congo 2.07
    7 Omotic 2.07
    8 Eastern_HG 1.80


    Finished reading population data. 48 populations found.
    8 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Mali_Mandinka @ 9.501968
    2 Nigeria_Hausa @ 12.769932
    3 Chad_Kaba @ 13.554440
    4 Nigeria_Igbo @ 15.320535
    5 DRC_Kongo @ 15.532727
    6 Cameroon_Bamoun @ 16.488970
    7 Nigeria_Yoruba @ 20.594805
    8 Nigeria_Yoruba @ 20.594805
    9 Ghana_Brong @ 21.615795
    10 Cameroon_Fang @ 22.189232
    11 Mali_Bambaran @ 23.482046
    12 SA_Nguni @ 24.518177
    13 Cameroon_Mada @ 24.706011
    14 SA_Pedi @ 26.650202
    15 Kenyan_Bantu @ 28.343479
    16 Nigeria_Fulani @ 28.632654
    17 SA_Bantu @ 30.021603
    18 SA_Sotho/Tswana @ 30.843100
    19 SA_Xhosa @ 35.554031
    20 Mali_Dogon @ 41.710682

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Mali_Dogon +50% DRC_Hema @ 7.676316


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ghana_Brong +25% Nigeria_Fulani +25% Kenyan_Bantu @ 2.274845


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++
    1 Cameroon_Bamoun + Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka + Mali_Mandinka @ 1.793796
    2 Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + Nigeria_Igbo + SA_Nguni @ 1.909395
    3 Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka + SA_Nguni + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 1.972130
    4 Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka + SA_Nguni + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 1.972130
    5 Mali_Bambaran + Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + SA_Pedi @ 2.020440
    6 Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka + SA_Pedi @ 2.022684
    7 Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Kenyan_Bantu + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 2.025433
    8 Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Kenyan_Bantu + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 2.025433
    9 Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + DRC_Kongo + Mali_Mandinka @ 2.049461
    10 Nigeria_Fulani + DRC_Kongo + Mali_Mandinka + Mali_Mandinka @ 2.053469
    11 Mali_Bambaran + Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Hausa + SA_Nguni @ 2.061596
    12 Mali_Bambaran + Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka + SA_Pedi @ 2.072029
    13 Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + Kenyan_Bantu @ 2.115497
    14 Mali_Bambaran + Cameroon_Fang + Nigeria_Fulani + Mali_Mandinka @ 2.120453
    15 Mali_Bambaran + Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Hausa + SA_Pedi @ 2.148737
    16 Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + SA_Pedi @ 2.178808
    17 Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + SA_Nguni + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 2.234374
    18 Nigeria_Fulani + Nigeria_Igbo + SA_Nguni + Nigeria_Yoruba @ 2.234374
    19 Mali_Dogon + Nigeria_Fulani + DRC_Kongo + SA_Pedi @ 2.240828
    20 Ghana_Brong + Ghana_Brong + Nigeria_Fulani + Kenyan_Bantu @ 2.274845


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.8% Nigeria_Hausa + 29.2% Nigeria_Fulani @ 3.2
    2 90.9% Mali_Mandinka + 9.1% Algerian @ 3.56
    3 91.6% Mali_Mandinka + 8.4% Egyptian @ 3.61
    4 91% Mali_Mandinka + 9% Libyan @ 3.63
    5 91.3% Mali_Mandinka + 8.7% N_Moroccan @ 3.64
    6 90.7% Mali_Mandinka + 9.3% Mozabite @ 3.67
    7 91.2% Mali_Mandinka + 8.8% Tunisian @ 3.74
    8 76.9% Mali_Mandinka + 23.1% Nigeria_Fulani @ 3.83
    9 89.8% Mali_Mandinka + 10.2% S_Moroccan @ 3.84
    10 86.7% Nigeria_Hausa + 13.3% S_Moroccan @ 4.19
    11 88.1% Nigeria_Hausa + 11.9% Mozabite @ 4.44
    12 89.2% Nigeria_Hausa + 10.8% Egyptian @ 4.46
    13 88.8% Nigeria_Hausa + 11.2% N_Moroccan @ 4.47
    14 88.4% Nigeria_Hausa + 11.6% Libyan @ 4.52
    15 88.7% Nigeria_Hausa + 11.3% Tunisian @ 4.53
    16 83.6% Nigeria_Igbo + 16.4% Ethiopian_Afar @ 4.57
    17 83.9% Nigeria_Igbo + 16.1% Ethiopian_Tygray @ 4.58
    18 88.4% Nigeria_Hausa + 11.6% Algerian @ 4.6
    19 83.8% Nigeria_Igbo + 16.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.79
    20 83% Nigeria_Igbo + 17% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 4.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaderose22 View Post
    On ancestrydna Angola is included with the Khoisan not eastern Bantu of which I got less than 1% estimate of. 0-2% range
    ...you're mistaken, Angola is cited within ancestryDNA's Africa Southeastern Bantu cluster; it's one of the primary locations along with South Africa and Namibia. Below is a description of the cluster taken from a snapshot of my results, you'll notice Nigeria (West-Africa) and Congo (Central-Africa) are also cited:




    This is a prime reason why we shouldn't fixate too much on certain clusters for absolute meaning of recent admixture -- for ancestry DNA, this cluster clearly overlaps a huge region of the continent including both the African Southeastern Bantu, and the Khoisan clusters you've just mentioned (if not more). The blog I posted earlier gives further explanation as to how we should be careful interpreting clusters from major DNA companies. Oddly enough, this cluster is interpreted as Nilotic (aka Ancient East African) ancestry which is completely inaccurate and misleading -- there's actually a few petitions online to have AncestryDNA correct this.


    Quote Originally Posted by jaderose22 View Post
    That's the thing though in some calculators I have a closer affinity to east African than the Fulani people I see how my mom compares to me her results had more north African and less east African and she had closer distance to the Fulani and the Hausa and Yoruba and Igbo people. It also appears my family is Hausa. Which is who I was referring to. Here's my Oracle. No matter where I go I got an east African component it seems especially with Kenyans.
    The population oracles on puntDNAL's Africa only K8 admix calculator were intended for kits of only African ancestry -- the calculator will otherwise misinterpret one's non-African(SSA) affinity and broadly assign it with Western_Semitic and Omitic clusters; this wouldn't provide absolute meaningful oracle results for self-identified African-Americans with notable Eurasian affinities (oftentimes exceeding >10%). The Kenyan and Fulani oracle results is the calculator equating your Eurasian ancestry (most likely West-European) with that of Cushitic speakers but they're two completely different kinds of modern ancestry. The Sub-Saharan ancestry found in African-Americans is a wide mixture of ethnic groups spanning throughout predominantly Western and Central Africa with a small estimated amount (<~5%) originating from East-Africa.


    I do hope you find the other posted blogs helpful, they'll answer your questions with more tangible examples -- they certainly helped my learning curve. I'm not trying to be combative or negate your East-African affinity, it just might not be as recent/modern as you think based on how you're trying to deduce it. That being said, there's a good number of Hispanic and African-Americans with detected East-African matches (>10cM) as well as mtDNA evidence suggesting a recent connection through the East-African Slave trade.

    Here's an excerpt from a Uganda mtDNA paper, The Mitochondrial DNA Heritage of the Baganda, Lugbara and Acholi from Uganda (Isabirye, Dan 2010):

    "..the clustering of the Ugandan sequences with sequences from African American and Hispanic individuals was evidence of slave trade involving the shipping of people from Uganda to North America."

    Out of curiosity, have you reached the 2000 cap on GEDmatch? Also, have you noticed any African names on your list? - there's not many of us but the numbers are starting to increase
    Last edited by Angoliga; 03-22-2017 at 10:56 PM. Reason: *spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    ...you're mistaken, Angola is cited within ancestryDNA's Africa Southeastern Bantu cluster; it's one of the primary locations along with South Africa and Namibia. Below is a description of the cluster taken from a snapshot of my results, you'll notice Nigeria (West-Africa) and Congo (Central-Africa) are also cited:




    This is a prime reason why we shouldn't fixate too much on certain clusters for absolute meaning of recent admixture -- for ancestry DNA, this cluster clearly overlaps a huge region of the continent including both the African Southeastern Bantu, and the Khoisan clusters you've just mentioned (if not more). The blog I posted earlier gives further explanation as to how we should be careful interpreting clusters from major DNA companies. Oddly enough, this cluster is interpreted as Nilotic (aka Ancient East African) ancestry which is completely inaccurate and misleading -- there's actually a few petitions online to have AncestryDNA correct this.




    The population oracles on puntDNAL's Africa only K8 admix calculator were intended for kits of only African ancestry -- the calculator will otherwise misinterpret one's non-African(SSA) affinity and broadly assign it with Western_Semitic and Omitic clusters; this wouldn't provide absolute meaningful oracle results for self-identified African-Americans with notable Eurasian affinities (oftentimes exceeding >10%). The Kenyan and Fulani oracle results is the calculator equating your Eurasian ancestry (most likely West-European) with that of Cushitic speakers but they're two completely different kinds of modern ancestry. The Sub-Saharan ancestry found in African-Americans is a wide mixture of ethnic groups spanning throughout predominantly Western and Central Africa with a small estimated amount (<~5%) originating from East-Africa.


    I do hope you find the other posted blogs helpful, they'll answer your questions with more tangible examples -- they certainly helped my learning curve. I'm not trying to be combative or negate your East-African affinity, it just might not be as recent/modern as you think based on how you're trying to deduce it. That being said, there's a good number of Hispanic and African-Americans with detected East-African matches (>10cM) as well as mtDNA evidence suggesting a recent connection through the East-African Slave trade.

    Here's an excerpt from a Uganda mtDNA paper, The Mitochondrial DNA Heritage of the Baganda, Lugbara and Acholi from Uganda (Isabirye, Dan 2010):

    "..the clustering of the Ugandan sequences with sequences from African American and Hispanic individuals was evidence of slave trade involving the shipping of people from Uganda to North America."

    Out of curiosity, have you reached the 2000 cap on GEDmatch? Also, have you noticed any African names on your list? - there's not many of us but the numbers are starting to increase
    It includes Namibia and Angola hunters and gatherers. Khoisan's aren't included with eastern Bantu. They're two very different people and I don't get a lot with the San or mbuti people usually as I do with a least Africa

    https://www.ancestry.com/dna/ethnicity/hunter-gatherers

  10. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    ...you're mistaken, Angola is cited within ancestryDNA's Africa Southeastern Bantu cluster; it's one of the primary locations along with South Africa and Namibia. Below is a description of the cluster taken from a snapshot of my results, you'll notice Nigeria (West-Africa) and Congo (Central-Africa) are also cited:




    This is a prime reason why we shouldn't fixate too much on certain clusters for absolute meaning of recent admixture -- for ancestry DNA, this cluster clearly overlaps a huge region of the continent including both the African Southeastern Bantu, and the Khoisan clusters you've just mentioned (if not more). The blog I posted earlier gives further explanation as to how we should be careful interpreting clusters from major DNA companies. Oddly enough, this cluster is interpreted as Nilotic (aka Ancient East African) ancestry which is completely inaccurate and misleading -- there's actually a few petitions online to have AncestryDNA correct this.




    The population oracles on puntDNAL's Africa only K8 admix calculator were intended for kits of only African ancestry -- the calculator will otherwise misinterpret one's non-African(SSA) affinity and broadly assign it with Western_Semitic and Omitic clusters; this wouldn't provide absolute meaningful oracle results for self-identified African-Americans with notable Eurasian affinities (oftentimes exceeding >10%). The Kenyan and Fulani oracle results is the calculator equating your Eurasian ancestry (most likely West-European) with that of Cushitic speakers but they're two completely different kinds of modern ancestry. The Sub-Saharan ancestry found in African-Americans is a wide mixture of ethnic groups spanning throughout predominantly Western and Central Africa with a small estimated amount (<~5%) originating from East-Africa.


    I do hope you find the other posted blogs helpful, they'll answer your questions with more tangible examples -- they certainly helped my learning curve. I'm not trying to be combative or negate your East-African affinity, it just might not be as recent/modern as you think based on how you're trying to deduce it. That being said, there's a good number of Hispanic and African-Americans with detected East-African matches (>10cM) as well as mtDNA evidence suggesting a recent connection through the East-African Slave trade.

    Here's an excerpt from a Uganda mtDNA paper, The Mitochondrial DNA Heritage of the Baganda, Lugbara and Acholi from Uganda (Isabirye, Dan 2010):

    "..the clustering of the Ugandan sequences with sequences from African American and Hispanic individuals was evidence of slave trade involving the shipping of people from Uganda to North America."

    Out of curiosity, have you reached the 2000 cap on GEDmatch? Also, have you noticed any African names on your list? - there's not many of us but the numbers are starting to increase
    My estimate for European heritage on ancestrydna is below 10%.... Just saying.... And that's the raw data I'm using. Not all African Americans are mixed. My mom was 5% non African heritage on DNA.land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    ...you're mistaken, Angola is cited within ancestryDNA's Africa Southeastern Bantu cluster; it's one of the primary locations along with South Africa and Namibia. Below is a description of the cluster taken from a snapshot of my results, you'll notice Nigeria (West-Africa) and Congo (Central-Africa) are also cited:




    This is a prime reason why we shouldn't fixate too much on certain clusters for absolute meaning of recent admixture -- for ancestry DNA, this cluster clearly overlaps a huge region of the continent including both the African Southeastern Bantu, and the Khoisan clusters you've just mentioned (if not more). The blog I posted earlier gives further explanation as to how we should be careful interpreting clusters from major DNA companies. Oddly enough, this cluster is interpreted as Nilotic (aka Ancient East African) ancestry which is completely inaccurate and misleading -- there's actually a few petitions online to have AncestryDNA correct this.




    The population oracles on puntDNAL's Africa only K8 admix calculator were intended for kits of only African ancestry -- the calculator will otherwise misinterpret one's non-African(SSA) affinity and broadly assign it with Western_Semitic and Omitic clusters; this wouldn't provide absolute meaningful oracle results for self-identified African-Americans with notable Eurasian affinities (oftentimes exceeding >10%). The Kenyan and Fulani oracle results is the calculator equating your Eurasian ancestry (most likely West-European) with that of Cushitic speakers but they're two completely different kinds of modern ancestry. The Sub-Saharan ancestry found in African-Americans is a wide mixture of ethnic groups spanning throughout predominantly Western and Central Africa with a small estimated amount (<~5%) originating from East-Africa.


    I do hope you find the other posted blogs helpful, they'll answer your questions with more tangible examples -- they certainly helped my learning curve. I'm not trying to be combative or negate your East-African affinity, it just might not be as recent/modern as you think based on how you're trying to deduce it. That being said, there's a good number of Hispanic and African-Americans with detected East-African matches (>10cM) as well as mtDNA evidence suggesting a recent connection through the East-African Slave trade.

    Here's an excerpt from a Uganda mtDNA paper, The Mitochondrial DNA Heritage of the Baganda, Lugbara and Acholi from Uganda (Isabirye, Dan 2010):

    "..the clustering of the Ugandan sequences with sequences from African American and Hispanic individuals was evidence of slave trade involving the shipping of people from Uganda to North America."

    Out of curiosity, have you reached the 2000 cap on GEDmatch? Also, have you noticed any African names on your list? - there's not many of us but the numbers are starting to increase
    Also I'm about the same genetically as a Nigerian is I got 46% Nigeria on ancestrydna. So please do not stereotype. My results may be atypical but they are what they are. And yes I'm related to the Fulani through my mother's side. Not sure if my father is Hausa or not. He has more Nigerian heritage than I do at 45% and than my mother does. Nigerians generally has as low as 53% Nigerian result. On average 64% which on DNA.land I had 53% Niger. So yeah I'm not that typically I guess of an African american. In fact none of my results were 20%. Estimates like most black Americans are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    ...you're mistaken, Angola is cited within ancestryDNA's Africa Southeastern Bantu cluster; it's one of the primary locations along with South Africa and Namibia. Below is a description of the cluster taken from a snapshot of my results, you'll notice Nigeria (West-Africa) and Congo (Central-Africa) are also cited:




    This is a prime reason why we shouldn't fixate too much on certain clusters for absolute meaning of recent admixture -- for ancestry DNA, this cluster clearly overlaps a huge region of the continent including both the African Southeastern Bantu, and the Khoisan clusters you've just mentioned (if not more). The blog I posted earlier gives further explanation as to how we should be careful interpreting clusters from major DNA companies. Oddly enough, this cluster is interpreted as Nilotic (aka Ancient East African) ancestry which is completely inaccurate and misleading -- there's actually a few petitions online to have AncestryDNA correct this.




    The population oracles on puntDNAL's Africa only K8 admix calculator were intended for kits of only African ancestry -- the calculator will otherwise misinterpret one's non-African(SSA) affinity and broadly assign it with Western_Semitic and Omitic clusters; this wouldn't provide absolute meaningful oracle results for self-identified African-Americans with notable Eurasian affinities (oftentimes exceeding >10%). The Kenyan and Fulani oracle results is the calculator equating your Eurasian ancestry (most likely West-European) with that of Cushitic speakers but they're two completely different kinds of modern ancestry. The Sub-Saharan ancestry found in African-Americans is a wide mixture of ethnic groups spanning throughout predominantly Western and Central Africa with a small estimated amount (<~5%) originating from East-Africa.


    I do hope you find the other posted blogs helpful, they'll answer your questions with more tangible examples -- they certainly helped my learning curve. I'm not trying to be combative or negate your East-African affinity, it just might not be as recent/modern as you think based on how you're trying to deduce it. That being said, there's a good number of Hispanic and African-Americans with detected East-African matches (>10cM) as well as mtDNA evidence suggesting a recent connection through the East-African Slave trade.

    Here's an excerpt from a Uganda mtDNA paper, The Mitochondrial DNA Heritage of the Baganda, Lugbara and Acholi from Uganda (Isabirye, Dan 2010):

    "..the clustering of the Ugandan sequences with sequences from African American and Hispanic individuals was evidence of slave trade involving the shipping of people from Uganda to North America."

    Out of curiosity, have you reached the 2000 cap on GEDmatch? Also, have you noticed any African names on your list? - there's not many of us but the numbers are starting to increase
    What's a 200 0 cap? Please explain?

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    BTW I get middle eastern as a result most of the time stronger than north Africa and on gedmatch its usually stronger than European.... Would you like to see the maps? On DNA.land I do get more north African but only by a slight bit. There me is 1.7% and na is 2.4% ive gotten 5/6% Anatolian 8% Palestinian on ethiohelix. And 4-6% on countless calculators on gedmatch. So I have much of my west Eurasian heritage in the spot which is pretty coincidental. Also added to when compared I am similar to the Fulani but I still will be closer much closer to eastern Bantu people. Generally speaking. I also am told by Ethiopia. Habesha that I actually look like their people. So that's a lot of coincidents there. I'm waiting on my 23andme results honestly

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