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    When Schrijver is right about the Balto-Finnic roots of the Germanic language than our (father, mother, mine) results of K25 from member Kurd looks in this respect interesting.

    I have a high amount of Germanic ancestry and K25 reveals in our cases
    a high amount of Baltic genes.


    My father's results:


    Mine:


    Mother's
    Last edited by Finn; 12-02-2017 at 01:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    When Schrijver is right about the Balto-Finnic roots of the Germanic language .
    Schrijver is not saying that Germanic sprang from Balto-Finnic. Finnic is a branch of a totally different language family - the Uralic family. Schrijver has simply pointed to the Germanic words absorbed by Balto-Finnic, which is evidence of language contact. The influence of the Nordic Bronze Age culture can be seen on the coasts of Finland and Estonia from about 1500 BC onwards. These areas may have been bilingual at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    Schrijver is not saying that Germanic sprang from Balto-Finnic. Finnic is a branch of a totally different language family - the Uralic family. Schrijver has simply pointed to the Germanic words absorbed by Balto-Finnic, which is evidence of language contact. The influence of the Nordic Bronze Age culture can be seen on the coasts of Finland and Estonia from about 1500 BC onwards. These areas may have been bilingual at this time.
    Yes correct. But what about the genetic connection?
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    should honour the Danes.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Yes correct. But what about the genetic connection?
    That is personal to your family. What they mean by Baltic could be Lithuania and Latvia (which have national languages of the Baltic branch of the Indo-European family) and/or Estonia (which has a national language of the Finnic branch of the Uralic family.)

    I don't know how well the test you took can discriminate genetically between the various peoples of Northern Europe. I would be cautious, but given that the Netherlands has been a trading nation for centuries, I suppose we can't rule out an ancestor for you from the eastern Baltic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    That is personal to your family. What they mean by Baltic could be Lithuania and Latvia (which have national languages of the Baltic branch of the Indo-European family) and/or Estonia (which has a national language of the Finnic branch of the Uralic family.)

    I don't know how well the test you took can discriminate genetically between the various peoples of Northern Europe. I would be cautious, but given that the Netherlands has been a trading nation for centuries, I suppose we can't rule out an ancestor for you from the eastern Baltic?
    Yes you can rule out a Baltic connection in the known ancestors (1600>).

    And although my father has 1/5 that 'leads' to the Baltics my mother has about 1/7. Member Radboud has 1/20 Baltic he has a more central Dutch ancestry. In some way or another this is in the first place a kind of germanic connection. Especially from my fathers side, and in lesser extent from my mothers side, there are connections with the Chauci/Saxons and most probably Jutes/Nores. The place were my oldest known ancestors from my fathers side lived was Warten(a) Friesland a terp that was settled in the middle ages (Jutes?) and was until the nineteenth century only reachable by water....and otherwise my ancestors were highly from these kind of North Sea districts.

    So this points to the Nordics or "different kinds of Yngvi-people".....but these kind of people must have had some kind of Baltic connection.....


    Or is this just 'simply' a Single Grave component?

    Side kick remark, an old Anglo Saxon rune:

    Ing wæs ærest mid Eástdenum
    gesewen secgum, oð he síððan eást
    ofer wæg gewát. wæn æfter ran.
    þus Heardingas þone hæle nemdon.

    Ing was first amidst the East Danes
    so seen, until he went eastward
    over the sea. His wagon ran after.
    Thus the Heardings named that hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    That the Nordic Bronze age stretched into to North German Plain is clear and even had an outlier in in Drenthe (North Dutc) as stated and researched by the archeologist and Bronze Age expert J.J. Butler (RUG) is clear. The genetical consequent of that are quite unclear.

    The iron age the time of the German expansion is interesting to. AuDNA shows that Saxon (Chauci/Hugas) expansion had a tremendous impact on the North Dutch coast and direct inland. More than 60% of the North Dutch genes belongs to the Saxon fringe. And auDNA shows there is a relationship with Nordic genes. Was this the influx about 500 BC from Southern Scandinavia to Nordalbingia as a result of climate change as Jean stated!?

    On thing is clear often is said that Old English and Old Frisian show relationship, no wonder when they both are derived from the same Saxon stock....
    @Finn, have you heard about this dissertation?
    http://www.lulu.com/shop/http://www....-22004971.html

    Eurogenes G10: 75% Swiss_German+25% Italian (South)
    Eurogenes G25: 33% Beaker_Britain+32% Beaker_Central_Europe+20% Anatolia_BA+12% Beaker_The_Netherlands+3% Remedello_BA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    @Finn, have you heard about this dissertation?
    http://www.lulu.com/shop/http://www....-22004971.html
    Thank you!!! I 've read indeed. If I remember it well he stated that the more above the Rhine the less Celtic and the more German.....
    "Finn, son of Folcwald,
    should honour the Danes.."

    Beowulf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    @Finn, have you heard about this dissertation?
    http://www.lulu.com/shop/http://www....-22004971.html
    Camu see also my new posting:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post327420
    "Finn, son of Folcwald,
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