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Thread: Poles (n=54) in Eurogenes K36

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    Poles (n=54) in Eurogenes K36

    Average results of 54 Polish samples in Eurogenes K36 calculator:

    Admixture present in x/54 Poles (% range) - avg. %

    1) East_Central_Euro 54/54 (17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38
    2) Eastern_Euro 54/54 (9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05
    3) Fennoscandian 54/54 (6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10
    4) North_Sea 54/54 (2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73
    5) Central_Euro 54/54 (4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31
    6) North_Atlantic 54/54 (0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90
    7) East_Balkan 53/54 (1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24

    8) Iberian 53/54 (0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57
    9) French 52/54 (1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07
    10) Italian 43/54 (0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07
    11) Basque 40/54 (0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13
    12) Volga-Ural 38/54 (0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03
    13) North_Caucasian 21/54 (0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60

    14) West_Med 14/54 (0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21
    15) West_Caucasian 9/54 (0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21
    16) Armenian 8/54 (0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15
    17) East_Med 1/54 (3.77) - 0.07
    18) South_Central_Asian 4/54 (0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05
    19) Amerindian 5/54 (0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05
    20) Oceanian 4/54 (0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02
    21) Arabian 1/54 (1.04) - 0.02
    22) West_African 2/54 (0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01
    23) Northeast_African 1/54 (0.24) - 0.004


    24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
    25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
    31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
    32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
    33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
    34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
    35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
    36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00
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    12% Fenno-Scandian, interesting, interesting..

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    Why it is interesting?

    RISE598 Lithuania LBA [908-485 BC]
    Fennoscandian 4%


    Modern Balts
    FennoScandian ~17%

    So, after 500 BCE, Poles earned some extra 8% Fenno-Scandian and Balts earned extra 13%.

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    My percentages compared to the averages.
    Admixture present in x/54 Poles(% range) - avg. %

    1) East_Central_Euro 54/54(17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38
    2) Eastern_Euro
    54/54(9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05
    3) Fennoscandian
    54/54(6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10
    4) North_Sea
    54/54(2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73
    5) Central_Euro
    54/54(4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31
    6) North_Atlantic
    54/54(0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90
    7) East_Balkan
    53/54(1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24

    8) Iberian
    53/54(0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57
    9) French
    52/54(1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07
    10) Italian
    43/54(0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07
    11) Basque
    40/54(0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13
    12) Volga-Ural
    38/54(0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03
    13) North_Caucasian
    21/54(0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60

    14) West_Med
    14/54(0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21
    15) West_Caucasian
    9/54(0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21
    16) Armenian
    8/54(0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15
    17) East_Med
    1/54(3.77) - 0.07
    18) South_Central_Asian
    4/54(0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05
    19) Amerindian
    5/54(0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05
    20) Oceanian
    4/54(0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02
    21) Arabian
    1/54(1.04) - 0.02
    22) West_African
    2/54(0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01
    23) Northeast_African
    1/54(0.24) - 0.004

    24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
    25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
    31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
    32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
    33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
    34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
    35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
    36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00

    Admixture present in StanleyPetrowski

    1) East_Central_Euro 27.95
    2) Eastern_Euro
    15.99
    3) Fennoscandian
    8.04
    4) North_Sea
    10.90
    5) Central_Euro
    11.69
    6) North_Atlantic
    2.51
    7) East_Balkan
    8.64

    8) Iberian
    2.89
    9) French
    5.92
    10) Italian
    3.94
    11) Basque
    0.59
    12) Volga-Ural
    0.97
    13) North_Caucasian
    0.00

    14) West_Med
    0.00
    15) West_Caucasian
    0.00
    16) Armenian
    0.00
    17) East_Med
    0.00
    18) South_Central_Asian
    0.00
    19) Amerindian
    0.00
    20) Oceanian
    0.00
    21) Arabian
    0.00
    22) West_African
    0.00
    23) Northeast_African
    0.00

    24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
    25) East_Asian 0.00
    26) East_Central_Asian 0.00
    27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
    31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
    32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
    33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
    34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
    35) Central_African 0.00
    36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00



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    Quote Originally Posted by singingfalls View Post
    My percentages compared to the averages.
    I now find this. Your results in K36 oracle developed by me and Tomenable for Polish regional results.

    Second result Carpathian Rusyns + Pl_Sudovia (Suwalskie region) situated you in Lubelskie exactly. We don't have Lublin region in oracle separately.

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 PL_Mazovia @ 7,341164
    2 PL_mixed @ 7,894767
    3 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,691388
    4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 9,473936
    5 Belarusian_West @ 9,667333
    6 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,992773
    7 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,145778
    8 Ukrainian_East @ 10,1721
    9 PL_Wielkopolska @ 10,2611
    10 Belarusian_East @ 10,376609
    11 PL_Sudovia @ 10,656491
    12 Russian_Smolensk @ 10,859555
    13 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,019139
    14 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 11,034286
    15 Russian_Voronezh @ 11,107011
    16 Russian_Oryol @ 11,248792
    17 Russian_Kursk @ 11,438755
    18 PL_South_Poland @ 11,529652
    19 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12,008698
    20 Pl_north @ 12,088031
    322 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,341164
    2 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 7,396363
    3 PL_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,508892
    4 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,617325
    5 PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,704337
    6 PL_Sudovia+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 7,811327
    7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,822534
    8 PL_Sudovia+PL_mixed @ 7,872685
    9 PL_mixed+PL_mixed @ 7,894767
    10 PL_Sudovia+PL_South_Poland @ 8,020929
    11 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 8,088284
    12 PL_Upper_Silesia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,133164
    13 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia @ 8,223941
    14 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,227032
    15 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia @ 8,228305
    16 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 8,252916
    17 Ukrainian_East+PL_Mazovia @ 8,276112
    18 Ukrainian_East+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,320921
    19 PL_South_Poland+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,34093
    20 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Mazovia @ 8,361928
    52003 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,050745
    2 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,153703
    3 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,264418
    4 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,278937
    5 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,283905
    6 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,296941
    7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Montenegro @ 7,301616
    8 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,302737
    9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Slovenian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,323528
    10 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_mixed @ 7,324412
    11 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_mixed @ 7,354025
    12 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Montenegro @ 7,361421
    13 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,373148
    14 50% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_mixed @ 7,376359
    15 50% PL_Sudovia +25% West_Serbian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,389116
    16 50% PL_mixed +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,3895
    17 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,396363
    18 50% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_mixed @ 7,39638
    19 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_mixed @ 7,410275
    20 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,41588
    10760173 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,050745
    2 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasi e_East_Mazovia @ 7,142424
    3 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,153703
    4 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,216041
    5 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazo via+PL_mixed @ 7,239922
    6 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Ma zovia @ 7,243233
    7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,264418
    8 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazo via+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,278937
    9 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasi e_East_Mazovia @ 7,283905
    10 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Po dlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,296941

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Average results of 54 Polish samples in Eurogenes K36 calculator:

    Admixture present in x/54 Poles (% range) - avg. %My results%

    1) East_Central_Euro 54/54 (17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38=22.93%
    2) Eastern_Euro 54/54 (9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05=17.15%
    3) Fennoscandian 54/54 (6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10=8.36%
    4) North_Sea 54/54 (2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73=11.06%
    5) Central_Euro 54/54 (4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31=7.12%
    6) North_Atlantic 54/54 (0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90=9.18%
    7) East_Balkan 53/54 (1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24=2.53%

    8) Iberian 53/54 (0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57=4.94%
    9) French 52/54 (1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07=4.80%
    10) Italian 43/54 (0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07=6.17%
    11) Basque 40/54 (0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13=0%
    12) Volga-Ural 38/54 (0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03=2.10%
    13) North_Caucasian 21/54 (0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60=2.75%

    14) West_Med 14/54 (0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21=0.90%
    15) West_Caucasian 9/54 (0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21=0%
    16) Armenian 8/54 (0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15=0%
    17) East_Med 1/54 (3.77) - 0.07=0%
    18) South_Central_Asian 4/54 (0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05=0%
    19) Amerindian 5/54 (0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05=0%
    20) Oceanian 4/54 (0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02=0%
    21) Arabian 1/54 (1.04) - 0.02=0%
    22) West_African 2/54 (0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01=0%
    23) Northeast_African 1/54 (0.24) - 0.004
    =0%

    24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
    25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
    29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
    30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
    31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
    32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
    33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
    34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
    35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
    36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00
    Thanks for the new calculator!

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    My wife's results (her family has deep roots in Kociewie region, northern Poland)...

    Amerindian 0.13
    Central_Euro 6.41
    East_Balkan 7.09
    East_Central_Euro 22.13
    Eastern_Euro 12.66
    Fennoscandian 13.40
    French 2.79
    Iberian 10.68
    Italian 0.94
    North_Atlantic 8.33
    North_Caucasian 4.11
    North_Sea 9.81
    Pygmy 0.14
    Volga-Ural 1.11
    West_Med 0.23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    My wife's results (her family has deep roots in Kociewie region, northern Poland)...

    Amerindian 0.13
    Central_Euro 6.41
    East_Balkan 7.09
    East_Central_Euro 22.13
    Eastern_Euro 12.66
    Fennoscandian 13.40
    French 2.79
    Iberian 10.68
    Italian 0.94
    North_Atlantic 8.33
    North_Caucasian 4.11
    North_Sea 9.81
    Pygmy 0.14
    Volga-Ural 1.11
    West_Med 0.23
    In her case Iberian reflects rather NW-Euro ancestry (when combined with North-Atlantic and North-Sea). Admix4 results gives her strong NW Euro admixtures

    Iberian component in some Western Euro regions:
    Holland 8,94% Iberian,
    Belgium 14,25%
    France North-East 17,8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    I now find this. Your results in K36 oracle developed by me and Tomenable for Polish regional results.......

    Wow fantastic skills.
    In the spirit of making a fair and equitable calculator and including other Middle Eastern ydna contributing clans like ydna J and ydna E .
    Is it possible to use ancient samples for an exclusive Yamnaya-R1b-Z2103+ calculator. I was thinking along the lines of parsing the ancient samples along the lines of excluding all R1b-L51+ and all I and R1a samples not found in Yamnaya, to form a new calculator. In addition to all Yamnaya R1b samples/Bell Beaker R1b-Z2103+Vučedolska kultura R1b-Z2103+[Afanasevo culture/ when they become available] + using all Mesolithic/Neolithic European R1b samples 4000K-14000K+/- [WHG/EHG]+ ancient CHG[Caucasus] ydna J + ancient Iran Mesolithic + ancient ydna E Natufian' s to represent a accurate calculator for R1b Z2103+
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