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Thread: U152 Distribution in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertCasey View Post
    I have found 1,439 testers that are confirmed to be U152 at Y67 markers or higher. Here is the breakdown of countries of origin listed:

    England - 279
    Germany - 150
    Ireland - 86
    France - 81
    Italy - 71
    UK - 69
    Scotland - 66
    Switzerland - 58
    Spain - 20
    Netherlands - 19
    Wales - 17
    No. Ireland - 16
    Sweden - 15
    Poland - 14
    Belgium - 13
    Russian Fed - 11
    Ukraine - 9
    Czech Rep - 8
    Austria - 7
    Belarus - 7
    Hungary - 6
    Turkey - 6
    Denmark - 5
    Portugal - 5

    Others Algeria (2), Bosnia (1), Bulgaria (1), Greece (3), Latvia (2), Lithuiania (4), Montenegro (1), Palestine Terr (1), Slovakia (4)
    A large number have no entry for this field and many others are US, Canada, Australia and Latin America.

    The U152 project has just over twice as many but many are R-M269 (predicted to be U152) and a lot are Y37 and lower as well.
    But both probably track each other with such large numbers of testers included..

    I was somewhat surprised of how much all of Europe was included. I always believed that U152 was northwestern European but
    was surprised so much UK/Ireland and so much Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece.
    I would say Switzerland and NW Italy had higher percentages of U152 than most other places.

    Britain,especially England, has more U106.
    Last edited by Cascio; 04-22-2021 at 07:26 AM.

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    Except for Norway (1.3%) and Sweden (1.8%), of all the countries in Western Europe, Ireland has the lowest percentage of U152 in the FTDNA Haplotree.

    Ireland is 2.0 % (196 of 9592)
    N. Ireland is 2.36% (26 out of 1104)
    Portugal is 2.37% (20 of 844)
    Scotland is 2.41% (169 out of 7000)
    Spain is 2.44% (55 of 2353)
    Wales is 2.7% (28 of 1033)
    Denmark is 3.1% (20 of 643)
    Netherlands is 4% (44 of 1100)
    England is 4.9% (619 of 12764)
    Germany is 5.7% (461 of 8152)
    Belgium is 8.3% (33 of 399)
    Italy is 9.1% (275 of 3010)
    France is 11.1% (330 of 2972)
    Luxembourg is 14.3% (7 of 49)
    Switzerland is 14.4% (213 of 1481)
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 04-22-2021 at 04:33 PM.
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    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    The FTDNA haplotree is only based on Big Y testers and does not include testers that are YSNP tested individually or tested via SNP packs. But your results include those that still have privacy turned which includes a large number of testers (as well as those that do not belong to any public project or the projects do publish the YSTR reports), But it is a little troubling that these two large views do not track more than you would think they do. It is also much more current than my pull and should be much larger.

    But your summary is different since states the percentage of testers with U152 that have Ireland listed. My report shows the percentages by country which ignores the population of each country. This is two different views of geography and this is why they go not track very well. Since Ireland has a much smaller population than England (which has a lot more testers), the relatively high number of Irish U152 testers will not get lost in the R-M222, R-L226, CTS4466. etc. testers. Each view has value though.
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    Unfortunately, neither of our summaries address the original question of the distribution of U152 within Ireland
    Last edited by RobertCasey; 04-22-2021 at 05:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertCasey View Post
    The FTDNA haplotree is only based on Big Y testers and does not include testers that are YSNP tested individually or tested via SNP packs....
    I guess you have forgotten about our prior discussion about this subject.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post617315

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post623880

    As TigerMW said
    It was my understanding that the public haplotree included everyone who was SNP tested.
    and I previously explained I have not done big Y but I am on the FTDNA haplo tree.

    Probably over 60% of U152+ men at FTDNA haven’t joined the U152 project so that’s going to affect project only results.

    In raw numbers for Western Europe, Ireland is 6 out of 15 for U152, but it’s only behind England in total samples in the FTDNA Haplotree database. This is in part due to the fact that Ireland is only behind Germany as the #1 source for immigrants to the US, so of course there is going to be more overall U152 from Ireland in the FTDNA Haplotree. The sheer number of US testers with ancestry from Ireland vs a country like Belgium where the U152 percentage is over 4 times that of Ireland and the population is over twice that of Ireland, skews the results.

    The point of my post was that U152 in Ireland is more rare percentage wise than in most other Western European countries.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 04-23-2021 at 05:23 AM.
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    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    ...

    and I previously explained I have not done big Y but I am on the FTDNA haplo tree.

    ....
    I just conducted a little experiment to prove that my non-BigY sample (I've only done the FGC12384 single SNP test), is actually on the FTDNA Haplotree under FGC12384.

    As seen in the top picture for FGC12384, there are 3 participants with direct paternal line ancestors going back to England and 1 Unknown. I took this screen shot yesterday (top image).

    I then went into my FTDNA account and changed my paternal line ancestor country to Bhutan.

    Why Bhutan? Because of the 200,000 samples in the FTDNA Haplotree database, none are from the tiny Himalayan country of Bhutan. Also the eastern Himalayas between China and India is not a known U152 hotspot

    Today I went to the FTDNA Haplotree FGC12384 branch and took another screen shot (bottom image). My non BigY tested sample now shows up as the first ever sample from Bhutan.



    Direct link here https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=R-FGC12384

    I've now logged back in and changed my and my father's samples to United Kingdom, since there a good chance my paternal might be from Ireland instead of England, and Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland (1801 and 1922) when my paternal line would have lived there. It will probably take a day for this change to show up in the tree.

    If I'm ever able to prove my line was from Ireland, I will update our country of origin accordingly.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 05-05-2021 at 02:55 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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