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    Data on the ethno-linguistic structure of some counties of East Prussia by year:

    1) Kreis Angerburg (Węgorzewo):



    2) Kreis Goldap (Gołdap):



    3) Kreis Johannisburg (Pisz):



    4) Kreis Lötzen (Łuczany / Giżycko):



    5) Kreis Lyck (Łek / Ełk):



    6) Kreis Mohrungen (Morąg):



    7) Kreis Neidenburg (Nibork / Nidzica):



    8) Kreis Oletzko (Olecko):



    9) Kreis Ortelsburg (Szczytno):



    10) Kreis Osterode (Ostróda):



    11) Kreis Rastenburg (Rastembork / Kętrzyn):



    12) Kreis Rosenberg (Susz):



    13) Kreis Sensburg (Ządzbork / Mrągowo):



    14) Summary for Pisz, Lötzen, Lyck, Neidenburg, Oletzko, Ortelsburg, Osterode & Sensburg:



    There were also Lithuanian-speakers and Curonian-speakers in East Prussia.

    Percent of Lithuanian-speakers among the population of East Prussia:

    Year - % of Lithuanian-speakers in East Prussia:

    1820 - 18,52% (estimate)
    1825 - 12,13% (census)
    1837 - 11,49% (census)
    1848 - 10,26% (census)
    1871 - 7,65% (census)
    1878 - 6,91% (census)
    1890 - 6,19% (census)


    ^^^ It continued to decline after 1890, but I don't have exact data.
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    And data from von Haxthausen's book for year 1825:

    Regierungs-Bezirk Gumbinnen:

    Name der Kreise - deutsche / polnische / lithaunische:

    Kreis Johannisburg - 2146 / 28552 / -
    Kreis Lyck - 3296 / 26144 / -
    Kreis Sensburg - 3769 / 22391 / 5
    Kreis Lötzen - 2959 / 18449 / -
    Kreis Oletzko - 4734 / 18828 / 22
    Kreis Angerburg - 11756 / 12535 / 60

    Kreis Goldapp - 17412 / 3940 / 3559

    Kreis Stallupönen - 20430 / 356 / 5435
    Kreis Darkehmen - 20373 / 485 / 2992

    Kreis Gumbinnen - 33651 / 19 / 254

    Kreis Heydekrug - 6446 / - / 16502
    Kreis Niederung - 18711 / 291 / 18336
    Kreis Tilsit - 19283 / 660 / 18057
    Kreis Ragnit - 17140 / 192 / 15522
    Kreis Pillkallen - 17032 / - / 11271
    Kreis Insterburg - 30393 / - / 10108

    Regierungs-Bezirk Königsberg:

    Name der Kreise - deutsche / polnische / lithaunische:

    Kreis Ortelsburg - 3100 / 34928 / -
    Kreis Neidenburg - 2149 / 27467 / 1
    Kreis Allenstein - 4927 / 25530 / -
    Kreis Osterode - 8920 / 22552 / -

    Kreis Rößel - 23927 / 6778 / -
    Kreis Rastenburg - 28034 / 1744 / -

    Kreis Memel - 16440 / 27 / 24196
    Kreis Labiau - 25182 / 43 / 12948

    Kreis Mohrungen - 34473 / 883 / -
    (...)

    I listed counties with significant Polish or Lithuanian populations.
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    Just wondering, has anyone here actually gotten their results back already?

    I entered into the project and volunteered my sample's raw data as soon as i read about it a couple months back and my raw data was accepted among the first hundred entries - But since then i hadn't heard back from them like at all.

    Contacting the support guys proved difficult to say the least, my email provider kept getting flagged by their system so i had to re-use that super hidden contact form on the website for that purpose... Anyways the support guy told me about some kind of issues they seemed to have been facing regarding backlogs, but that last response of his to me was quite a while ago and the deadline he mentioned to me by which i would supposedly finally receive my finished results has long since passed.

    ... So yeah, i'm just curious if anyone else who successfully entered into the project already got their results processed/account set up or if i'm truly the only one facing this issue

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    Has anyone heard anything about this recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio View Post
    Has anyone heard anything about this recently?
    Yeah i finally got my results back the other day after multiple delays on their site (as mentioned above they pushed it back further and further for a year or so because of apparent database/migration issues) but they have proven to be a sordid dissapointment for me. Instead of the sub-regional resolutions that were hinted at (according to them with this volunteered raw data they'd basically build a german/central euro version of the detailed british isles model they have developed from scratch) you merely get some watered-down and very rudimentary results, basically stuff which you already knew if you did 23andme/FTDNA or whatever and volunteered the autosomal file. Pretty dissapointing if you got promised so much more and waited almost two years for your results to finally become available if you ask me, but oh well.

    They assigned my raw data 71% germanic and about 28% "british isles" which is nonsense because i know for a fact that i have about 25-30% eastern euro-derived BGA, all the different tests have shown this but LivingDNA doesn't seem to be able to pick it up at all right now. Somehow they manage to be worse than MyHeritageDNA even when it comes to accuracy which is quite the achievement.

    Also, their customer support is abysmal (check the other reviews) and if you get a reply from them at all it's mostly just cookie cutter-tier responses. I had asked them when/if one could expect the german sub-regional resolution clusters to roll in but hadn't heard back anything from them so i don't exactly have high hopes for their service let alone my results improving in the future
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    Got a headsup from LivingDNA customer service via email yesterday, the german regional breakdown isn't ready yet but they're "working hard on it" and will automatically update my faulty current results once it's done. Which is weird because apparently they pushed those fake results out just to meet some deadline they had set themselves previously. I would have honestly prefered to wait for real and accurate results rather than obviously false ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hans84 View Post
    Got a headsup from LivingDNA customer service via email yesterday, the german regional breakdown isn't ready yet but they're "working hard on it" and will automatically update my faulty current results once it's done. Which is weird because apparently they pushed those fake results out just to meet some deadline they had set themselves previously. I would have honestly prefered to wait for real and accurate results rather than obviously false ones.
    At least you got "fake" results with "germanic!" My dad (~half British(incl trace Swiss, German, French)/half German/Belgian/Ashkenazi) was in one of the very first batches in 2017, and was given British, Italian and Scandinavian.
    No German[ic], no French, no Belgian.
    I don't know if "germanic" was even an available category when he took the test. They have never updated it despite their stock pop-up promises to do so, and despite my repeated requests to have his existing results run on their newer "fake" model calculator (which they have refused).

    His 2017 results (he was born in Germany)
    Europe 100%
    Great Britain and Ireland 71.1%
    Southeast England 20.6%
    East Anglia 13.6%
    Lincolnshire 12.2%
    South Central England 9.5%
    South Yorkshire 4.7%
    Cumbria 2.4%
    Northwest Scotland 2.4%
    Devon 2.3%
    Cornwall 2.2%
    North Yorkshire 1.2%

    Europe (South) 14.3%
    North Italy 11.1%
    Aegean 3.2%

    Europe (North and West) 8.2%
    Scandinavia 8.2%

    Europe (East) 6.4%
    West Balkans 2.6%
    East Balkans 2%
    Finland and Western Russia 1.8%
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    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    At least you got "fake" results with "germanic!" My dad (~half British(incl trace Swiss, German, French)/half German/Belgian/Ashkenazi) was in one of the very first batches in 2017, and was given British, Italian and Scandinavian.
    No German[ic], no French, no Belgian.
    I don't know if "germanic" was even an available category when he took the test. They have never updated it despite their stock pop-up promises to do so, and despite my repeated requests to have his existing results run on their newer "fake" model calculator (which they have refused).

    His 2017 results (he was born in Germany)
    Europe 100%
    Great Britain and Ireland 71.1%
    Southeast England 20.6%
    East Anglia 13.6%
    Lincolnshire 12.2%
    South Central England 9.5%
    South Yorkshire 4.7%
    Cumbria 2.4%
    Northwest Scotland 2.4%
    Devon 2.3%
    Cornwall 2.2%
    North Yorkshire 1.2%

    Europe (South) 14.3%
    North Italy 11.1%
    Aegean 3.2%

    Europe (North and West) 8.2%
    Scandinavia 8.2%

    Europe (East) 6.4%
    West Balkans 2.6%
    East Balkans 2%
    Finland and Western Russia 1.8%
    Sorry to hear you're having trouble with their customer "service" aswell there! Maybe do take solace in the fact that we're unfortunately not the only customers being treated by them like this.

    But yeah the whole deal seems a bit off with some ethnicities especially, like they're temporary or at least partially pre-packaged placeholder results almost imo. Fake would obviously be too harsh of a word too use (i just came back home when i made that post and it seemed like the most opportune term in that moment) but i think their algorithm right now isn't exactly accurate or functioning as it should with certain populations. Their datasets seem to be lacking in many respects too. I mean why push ahead just to meet a deadline and risk bad reviews instead of being honest to your customers and fully fledging things out first? Not a good business decision imo, and i'm very glad i didn't pay any money for these results

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    So if I'm understanding the posts here correctly, it's that Living DNA is not very good for those of full or partly German heritage?

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    Not yet, although if they ever finish this German project it should improve, and some recent tests do seem to be better. But it basically lumped my German ancestry into English categories.

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