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Thread: Big Y/Big Tree/YFull Stevens/Stephens Results

  1. #11
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    Another of my Stevens cousins, kit 312416, a 108/111 match, has received his Big Y results. He is derived for FGC36974, like my 109/111 Stevens match and me. Unless he has changed his mind, he will submit his BAM file to Alex Williamson and to YFull for analysis.

    Here is a graphic I made that shows our current phylogenetic position. The block at the top of the chart shows our y haplogroup R lineage leading up to DF41/CTS2501.

    Stevens_ phylogenetic tree.png
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I've spruced up that graphic a bit. I even have a version that includes names, but I won't post it, since that would violate the privacy of a couple of my matches.

    Stevens_phylogenetic tree without names.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 04-15-2017 at 02:34 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I've spruced up that graphic a bit. I even have a version that includes names, but I won't post it, since that would violate the privacy of a couple of my matches.

    Stevens_phylogenetic tree without names.jpg
    I was playing around with Word and created another tree, like a pedigree chart but using SNPs instead of the names of ancestors. Hope I didn't make any errors. A couple of posts back I inadvertently left out L754 (I caught the mistake, so L754 is in the tree in the last post though), so hopefully I didn't leave anything out this time.

    Stevens_R-M207 to FGC36974 Pedigree.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Okay, here is something that is potentially consequential. I mentioned that kit 312416, a 108/111 match for me, got his Big Y results a couple of days ago. Once that happened, FTDNA listed his terminal SNP as FGC36974. Up until his results arrived, FTDNA had also listed my terminal SNP and that of my 109/111 match kit 522600 as FGC36974. We were all FGC36974 and we all have the same surname.

    Then, when 312416's Big Y results came in, FTDNA switched 522600 and me to FGC36982. Weird, I thought. I looked for FGC36982 in the results of 312416, but I could not find any report, derived or ancestral (positive or negative). So, I wrote FTDNA and asked them about this apparent discrepancy.

    Today I heard back from FTDNA. According to them, 312416 is actually negative for FGC36982, and 522600 and I are positive for FGC36982.

    Whoa.

    Apparently that means FGC36982 is downstream of FGC36974, and it means that 522600 and I are more closely related to each other than we are to 312416, even though we are all close 111-marker STR matches and bear the same surname.

    If this all pans out and is not the product of some strange error, I think it means that 522600 and I share a more recent common ancestor than either of us share with the rest of our same-surname matches (obviously), and here's what else I think it means. I think it means 522600's mdka Amos Young Stevens and my mdka Auguston Stevens are half brothers. I think our mutual Stevens ancestor remarried after his first wife died. He farmed out my ancestor Auguston and his two brothers as apprentices to learn trades after his first wife died, which is why they weren't fond enough of his memory to pass on his name other than the surname. It also explains why the name Auguston/Augustine was passed along in 522600's family as it was in mine.

    It will be interesting to see how all this works out.

    Here is a graphic that illustrates the current situation:

    Stevens phylogenetic tree R-M207 to R1b-FGC36982 with surnames and kit numbers.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 04-17-2017 at 11:21 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I was finally able to get into FTDNA's Haplotree this morning from my own myFTDNA pages. Here is a screenshot showing that they have FGC36982 downstream of FGC36974 (as I mentioned in my last post above).

    Stevens_ FTDNA Tree showing position of FGC36982.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here is a closer view of FTDNA's Haplotree from my own myFTDNA Haplotree & SNPs page, with some details added by me.

    Stevens_ FTDNA Tree showing position of FGC36982 details.jpg

    I know this is my own personal genealogical stuff and may not interest anyone else all that much, but this recent development has me pretty excited. I am finally starting to see a real pay-off from the Big Y test, which I had been starting to think should have been called the Big Why?.

    That 109/111 match who shares my terminal SNP, FGC36982, has an mdka who was born in Columbiana County, Ohio, which borders Beaver County, Pennsylvania, on the west, where my y-dna second great grandfather was born. A number of my second great grandfather's siblings were born in Ohio, probably in Columbiana County. The given name Auguston/Augustine occurs repeatedly in both of our families. That is my mdka's name, and it is the name of a man born about 1750 who, along with his son of the same name, born about 1776, are prominent members of a pool of research-confirmed and y-dna testing-confirmed possible ancestors in the Western PA/Eastern Ohio area in the late 1700s through early 1800s.
    Last edited by rms2; 04-22-2017 at 07:50 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Here is a closer view of FTDNA's Haplotree from my own myFTDNA Haplotree & SNPs page, with some details added by me.

    Stevens_ FTDNA Tree showing position of FGC36982 details.jpg

    I know this is my own personal genealogical stuff and may not interest anyone else all that much, but this recent development has me pretty excited. I am finally starting to see a real pay-off from the Big Y test, which I had been starting to think should have been called the Big Why?.

    That 109/111 match who shares my terminal SNP, FGC36982, has an mdka who was born in Columbiana County, Ohio, which borders Beaver County, Pennsylvania, on the west, where my y-dna second great grandfather was born. A number of my second great grandfather's siblings were born in Ohio, probably in Columbiana County. The given name Auguston/Augustine occurs repeatedly in both of our families. That is my mdka's name, and it is the name of a man born about 1750 who, along with his son of the same name, born about 1776, are prominent members of a pool of research-confirmed and y-dna testing-confirmed possible ancestors in the Western PA/Eastern Ohio area in the late 1700s through early 1800s.
    Some of you may recall that I and my second cousin (a 111/111 match) have hired Ancestry genealogists to do some paper trail research. I just wrote them to give them an update on this recent Big Y development. Naturally, I sent the email and then looked back at it and found a couple of typos that make me look like a complete dork. Aarrgghh! Always proofread! Why don't I follow that simple advice?
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here is a graphic I created in which I speculate about the genealogical relationship between myself and my fellow Stevens R1b-FGC36982 match. This could be wrong, but I think it might be right.

    Stevens_59080 and 522600 relationship guesswork graphic kit numbers only.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    A 107/111 match of mine with my surname, kit 326490, just ordered the Big Y today. It took me by surprise, but I sure am glad.
    Last edited by rms2; 04-25-2017 at 10:40 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I have been involved in genetic genealogy since March of 2006, when I ordered my initial 37-marker STR test from FTDNA. I remember when SNP testing wasn't much good. It did not get one past R1b1 at first, then it went to M269 and was stuck there for awhile, that is, if one was not S21+ (U106+), S28+ (U152+), M222+, or M153+.

    Now SNPs are actually useful for genealogy and better than STRs ever were.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-L21> DF13> Z39589> DF41> FGC5572> BY166> FGC36974> FGC36982> FGC36981

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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