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    The Genetic Structure of Anatolia: From the Neolithic to the Oghuz Migrations

    Our latest post focuses on the genetic changes that have taken place in Anatolia since the Neolithic.

    English: https://oghuzturksdna.blogspot.com.t...a-from_21.html
    Turkish: https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2...cilal-tas.html
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    Kaynak Veri (Source Data) Eurogenes K13 Tablo https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2...cilal-tas.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Kaynak Veri (Source Data) Eurogenes K13 Tablo https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2...cilal-tas.html
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    Yes, that's correct, but I don't think that the article claims that Anatolian Turks are genetically closer to Central Asian Turks than to Cappadocian Greeks.
    Their relation to each other is also evident in the included PCA, where Anatolian Turks are closer to Cappadocian Greeks, but still significantly shifted towards Central Asian Turks.
    And that's really the main point of the article.



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    Yes its significant that Anatolian Turks are shifted toward Central Asian Turkic Populations although much more similar to other anatolian populations. No need to draw PCA or dendograms to see that shift. East Asian components is quite detectable in Admixture results.Thats the fact. Nobody can regret. But the shared diagrams which compares ancients and moderns seems biased to show as if its inverse. Anyway i just make additional input to study in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    But the shared diagrams which compares ancients and moderns seems biased to show as if its inverse.
    "Our latest post focuses on the genetic changes that have taken place in Anatolia since the Neolithic."

    The article does not make a direct comparison between ancient samples and modern Turks, each sample is compared to its predecessor (ie. Anatolia_CHL and Anatolia_N or Turk_Cappadocia and Greek_Cappadocia). Anatolia_N, Anatolia_CHL and Anatolia_BA are not used as a proxy for Byzantine era Anatolians. As you can see in the article, Turk_Cappadocia is compared to Greek_Cappadocia.


    The PCA clearly shows that Anatolian Turks are closer to Anatolian Greeks than to Central Asians.




    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    No need to draw PCA or dendograms to see that shift. East Asian components is quite detectable in Admixture results.
    The difference between Anatolian Turks and Anatolian Greeks is not limited to East Eurasian components though.
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    Bir Afgan Hazara Türkmeni sonucu. Meraklılarına duyrulur.
    Gedmatch yüklenmiş bir orta asyalı turkic sonucu olmasından dolayı referans alınabilecek bir örnek kanımca...
    An Afgan Hazara Turkmen Result

    (Quote has take from his own video published in youtube)

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    here's what i got for MDLP K23B 4- ancestors oracle
    # Population Percent
    1 Tungus-Altaic 22.71
    2 South_Central_Asian 17.07
    3 Caucasian 12.09
    4 South_East_Asian 10.80
    5 East_Siberian 8.64
    6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.33
    7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.23
    8 South_Indian 5.70
    9 Austronesian 2.57
    10 Melano_Polynesian 1.79
    11 Paleo_Siberian 1.66
    12 Near_East 1.15
    13 European_Early_Farmers 1.08


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Hazara_ @ 4.665373
    2 Uygur_ @ 6.417116
    3 Uzbek_ @ 8.434377
    4 Uygur-Han_ @ 9.542519
    5 Karakalpak_ @ 10.686490
    6 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 10.878557
    7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 11.270697
    8 Kazahs_ @ 12.067858
    9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 15.905074
    10 Kazakh_ @ 16.339157
    11 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 18.002422
    12 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 18.301966
    13 Kyrgyz_ @ 20.999638
    14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 21.306807
    15 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 23.084238
    16 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 26.640936
    17 Hakas_ @ 26.987877
    18 Spiti_ @ 27.261608
    19 Altaian_ @ 27.925150
    20 Nogai_ @ 28.233461

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hazara_ +50% Uzbek_ @ 3.901466


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ +25% Pashtun_Afghani_ +25% Uygur-Han_ @ 2.936205
    "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Bir Afgan Hazara Türkmeni sonucu. Meraklılarına duyrulur.
    Gedmatch yüklenmiş bir orta asyalı turkic sonucu olmasından dolayı referans alınabilecek bir örnek kanımca...
    An Afgan Hazara Turkmen Result

    (Quote has take from his own video published in youtube)



    The weird thing is he claims to be culturally hazara and yet it shows in his oracles, he claims to be Turkmen instead. I would not use these results as reference.
    Of all the countries, this is possibly the most beautiful. All that is beautiful and can be rarely seen in
    other countries can be seen everywhere here... Here live the people who wear the cleanest clothes and prepare the
    most flavorful dishes... Of all of God’s servants, the local people are the most compassionate and merciful...

    Ibn Battuta about Asia Minor 1333CE

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    1/2 Hazara 1/2 Türkmen sanırım bu arkadaş fakat Hazaralar Turkic bir halk değil. Farsça konuşan Moğollar diyenler de var onlara ve Hazaraları oluşturan boyların bir çoğu Moğol kökenli geriye kalanı Kıpçak, Karluk, Uygur ve bir kaç tane Türkmen kökenli boy var. Aslında tam bir Türk-Moğol birliğiler fakat dil olarak asimile olmuşlar diğer bir çok Moğol hanlığı gibi. Genel olarak İlhanlılar'ın torunları oldukları düşünülüyor.

    Barlas, Börçigin (Cengiz Han'ın boyu), Naiman, Kerait, Hitay, Celayir, Ongud vs. gibi boylar Moğol kökenli ve bunların çoğu ayrıyetten Kazaklarda ve Özbeklerde de var.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hazara_tribes
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    Y-dna: L1b*-M317 (Pontic Cluster, PH8+, PH2079+, Y49809+) is a 2500 years old and very specific subclade which found among Pontic Greeks and Laz people.

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