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    Question Could FTDNA's myOrigins 2.0 help distinguish between Irish and English ancestry??

    I have a friend who is 50% Cypriot - 50% British Isles (possibly Irish but not confirmed since adopted).

    I would expect his myOrigins 2.0 results to show something close to 50% British Isles. Instead he gets the following:

    West and Central Europe: 24%
    British Isles: 20%
    Iberia: 7%

    Looking at different posts from British individuals, I have noticed that other people also get a fair amount of 'West and Central Europe' ancestry. I was wondering whether this indicates English rather than Irish ancestry. It would make some sense to me based on the Anglo-Saxon (Germanic) connection.

    Looking forward to your thoughts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    I have a friend who is 50% Cypriot - 50% British Isles (possibly Irish but not confirmed since adopted).

    I would expect his myOrigins 2.0 results to show something close to 50% British Isles. Instead he gets the following:

    West and Central Europe: 24%
    British Isles: 20%
    Iberia: 7%

    Looking at different posts from British individuals, I have noticed that other people also get a fair amount of 'West and Central Europe' ancestry. I was wondering whether this indicates English rather than Irish ancestry. It would make some sense to me based on the Anglo-Saxon (Germanic) connection.

    Looking forward to your thoughts!
    Read the FTDNA 2.0 is a failure thread, it goes into depth on this very question and it's best if you read the thread if you are interested in this:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ns-2-0-failure

    Short answer is FTDNA's British and Irish category is a mix of Insular "Celtic" and Germanic now, previous to 2.0 it was likely more just Insular. I'm really not sure what West and Central European is, but we notice that German and Dutch people now get very high British scores and often 0% W & C European.
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    Yet it works very well for East Anglian self:

    51% British Isles
    46% West and Central Europe

    Traces (<2%):

    Southeast Europe
    Western Middle East
    Ashkenazi

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    I'm not sure what to make of MyOrigins 2.0 as some people have given great feedback and others, the complete opposite (and as I am looking for my birth father and family, I cannot verify my results against a paper trail).

    Your friend should maybe check out LivingDNA (British Isles broken down in to 21 regions and more to come) and Ancestry, with their recent introduction of Genetic Communities on top of ethnicity breakdown, which is sub-national level. If they haven't already done so, and if they are on Facebook, I would recommend they join the closed Facebook Group called DNA Detectives.

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    Many thanks to everyone for their valuable comments! So a pure English individual scores something like 50% British Isles - 50% West/Central Europe. I will check sktibo's recommended post, I am sure there will be some Irish folks posting their results there. Many thanks also for the additional DNA testing options! Very helpful!

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    Not sure, with 1.0 it seemed there was a somewhat stable cline from very high scores for people almost totally Irish to middle to lower scores for those from eastern England and then even a bit lower still for those from Germany.
    2.0 sometimes follows that but it also seems more random and Germans can sometimes get a ton now (although other times even less).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    Many thanks to everyone for their valuable comments! So a pure English individual scores something like 50% British Isles - 50% West/Central Europe. I will check sktibo's recommended post, I am sure there will be some Irish folks posting their results there. Many thanks also for the additional DNA testing options! Very helpful!
    Page 3 of FTDNA Myorigins 2.0 is Released. User Jessie (Entirely Irish ethnic background) posted hers and her families results. In FTDNA 1.0 they were 100% British Isles, in 2.0 they were around the 85-90% mark for British Isles, so it went down.

    Link: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...released/page3

    Thus, it appears that the 1.0 Version of British Isles leaned more towards the Irish side of things than the 2.0 British isles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Page 3 of FTDNA Myorigins 2.0 is Released. User Jessie (Entirely Irish ethnic background) posted hers and her families results. In FTDNA 1.0 they were 100% British Isles, in 2.0 they were around the 85-90% mark for British Isles, so it went down.

    Link: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...released/page3

    Thus, it appears that the 1.0 Version of British Isles leaned more towards the Irish side of things than the 2.0 British isles.
    1.0 version 98% British, 2.0 version 98% British. So, my versions show no change or do they? With many posters showing a variety of changes, what exactly changed for the British component between the two versions? Is the British 2.0 version reference populations that different from the 1.0 version? Are individuals with high Celtic ancestry showing less change between versions? Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    Many thanks to everyone for their valuable comments! So a pure English individual scores something like 50% British Isles - 50% West/Central Europe. I will check sktibo's recommended post, I am sure there will be some Irish folks posting their results there. Many thanks also for the additional DNA testing options! Very helpful!




    Scots-Irish/English/German mutt here.

    This test is useless for telling them apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    1.0 version 98% British, 2.0 version 98% British. So, my versions show no change or do they? With many posters showing a variety of changes, what exactly changed for the British component between the two versions? Is the British 2.0 version reference populations that different from the 1.0 version? Are individuals with high Celtic ancestry showing less change between versions? Joe
    Hi Amerijoe, Something definitely changed on from 1.0 to 2.0, because I was 94% British & Irish, and with 2.0 I am now 100%.
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