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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Just sent you the money . Thanks!
    Amerindian5.13
    Arabian 3.08
    Armenian -
    Basque 4.37
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 4.26
    East_African 1.12
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 4.91
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 5.33
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian 5.68
    French 3.63
    Iberian 13.94
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 12.29
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 4.89
    North_African 3.99
    North_Atlantic 4.40
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 9.74
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.22
    Omotic -
    Pygmy 0.43
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 0.83
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.65
    West_African 3.68
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 7.43
    In your case exceptionally nMonte 2 was better... Possibly, because you are interesting mix

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    thanks very much

    how does
    MDS (Manhattan similarity index, with min. spanning tree)
    work?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_spanning_tree

    It is like connection between most similar averages on the plot. Sometimes those positioned quite closely don't have such linkage. I think it gives another insight.

    Manahattan was one of similarity indices. I chose such without too much mess on the plot.
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  4. #3653
    Hey LukaszM thank you again!

    Didn’t expect to receive it so quickly.
    I have to admit I’m impressed, it looks perfect, by far the best one I’ve seen,

    My family and me hail from the alpine zone, except for a 5-generation female ancestor born in Latin America who was of mixed race background (Iberian+Italian+Amerindian and African apparently).

    I’m trying to finding out more details about my background, and among all the tests I took the only thing I still don’t know how to explain is my 31% Northwestern european Ancestry, just saw nmonte 2 you sent me, well it matches other tests regarding the 15%dutch and 15% German, I know it’s there, it’s consistent in all tests, just don’t know who, when, and due to that I think it has to be old , or someone changed names or a possible immigration occurred not so long ago etc.

    What do you think of it? I mean of the 15% Dutch +13%Saarland +2% Rheinland-Pfalz. Is it real? Old ? I think it comes from my paternal grandfather by the way.

    I wrote too much man, I don’t want to bother you, I’m really glad for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Hey LukaszM thank you again!

    Didn’t expect to receive it so quickly.
    I have to admit I’m impressed, it looks perfect and as always I am a bit confused with so much information,

    My family and me hail from the alpine zone, except for a 5-generation ancestor, a woman born in Latin America who was of mixed race background (Iberian+Italian+Amerindian and African apparently).
    Is your 'alpine zone' French, Swiss or Italian?

    Eurogenes G10 (modern): 75% Swiss_German+25% Italian (South)
    Eurogenes G25 (ancient): 70% England_Roman+18% Anatolia_Chl+12% Remedello_BA

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    North Italy from a micro region known to have been settled by the cimbri peoples, don’t know if it’s true though. Thanks for asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    North Italy from a micro region known to have been settled by the cimbri peoples, don’t know if it’s true though. Thanks for asking.
    Are you referring to these
    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbri...a_linguistica)

    Not associated with Jutland Denmark, but from Bavaria in the middle ages
    http://www.asiago.to/en/pagina.aspx?idPage=308

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...Alto-Adige.pdf

    there is a good dna paper on the area or part of the area
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0081704
    it has many ydna and mtdna samples ............IIRC 40% of mtdna samples are K1a analyzed by Mr.Logan
    Last edited by vettor; 02-14-2018 at 05:26 AM.

    European - 99.2%............Central Asian - 0.8% .............Yfull - 1460BC
    Father's Mtdna .....T2b17.......1735 Porcellengo Veneto Italy
    Sons Mtdna .....K1a4 ...........1710 Carnic Alps

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, A339+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Vettor thanks for the help ! Just read the paper. Interesting.

    By the way yes from Treschè and Rotzo, even if I’m also French today due to be living here for a long time, we’re from there.


    I knew these peoples don’t come from Jutland but I had in mind that they actually entered north Italy from south Germany (Bavaria).

    So could I say my Dutch+German obtained with nmonte and other tests as well, might be from Bavaria? I didn’t score Bavarian though. Did the cimbri come only from south Germany?

    Or maybe this Ancestry is due to being part of the Holy Roman Empire for such a long time ‘till it became Venice in 1400/1450 ? So lots of movement between these countries maybe

    By the way I belong to the classical R-U152 haplogroup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Vettor thanks for the help ! Just read the paper. Interesting.

    By the way yes from Treschè and Rotzo, even if I’m also French today due to be living here for a long time, we’re from there.


    I knew these peoples don’t come from Jutland but I had in mind that they actually entered north Italy from south Germany (Bavaria).

    So could I say my Dutch+German obtained with nmonte and other tests as well, might be from Bavaria? I didn’t score Bavarian though. Did the cimbri come only from south Germany?

    Or maybe this Ancestry is due to being part of the Holy Roman Empire for such a long time ‘till it became Venice in 1400/1450 ? So lots of movement between these countries maybe

    By the way I belong to the classical R-U152 haplogroup.
    Just to finalise the ydna on the paper are

    142 samples of three Ladiner valleys (Badia/Fassa/Gardena)


    0.7% R1b-M269 [1 samples]
    8.4% R1b-L51 [12 samples]
    0.7% R1b-L11 [1 samples]
    28.1% R1b-U152 [40 samples]
    10.5% R1b-L21 [15 samples]
    4.2% R1b-U106 [6 samples]

    1.4% R1a [2 samples]

    0.7% I-M170 [1 samples]
    4.9% I1-M253 [7samples]
    0.7% I2-P37.2 [1 samples]

    5.6% G-M201 [8 samples]

    0.7% E-M35 [1 samples]
    2.8% E-V13 [4 samples]

    4.9% J1-M267 [7samples]
    0.7% J2-M172 [1 samples]
    10.5% J2a [15 samples]
    3.5% J2b [5 samples]

    10.5% K-M9 [15 samples] ( 4 x L marker and 11 x T marker)

    you might be one of them

    European - 99.2%............Central Asian - 0.8% .............Yfull - 1460BC
    Father's Mtdna .....T2b17.......1735 Porcellengo Veneto Italy
    Sons Mtdna .....K1a4 ...........1710 Carnic Alps

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, A339+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Thanks again Vettor

    28% of the samples are R-U152 , good to know that, maybe I’m really one of them.
    I have to see if other Veneti or cimbri have these high amounts of Dutch and German like me, maybe the cimbri do have it.

    Vettor do you know if the cimbri came from other regions in Germany/Dutch ? I mean not only Bavarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Thanks again Vettor

    28% of the samples are R-U152 , good to know that, maybe I’m really one of them.
    I have to see if other Veneti or cimbri have these high amounts of Dutch and German like me, maybe the cimbri do have it.

    Vettor do you know if the cimbri came from other regions in Germany/Dutch ? I mean not only Bavarians.
    I can do it for you... I have Cimbri and other NE-Italian Germans-speaking minorities samples. I can add them to oracle and we will see what you get. Stay tuned

    One thing more. You were modeled as Dutch Askhenazi in single distance because of mix of Italian, Iberian and presumably this Cimbri-like semi-Germanic ancestry.
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