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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Are there many of us from the alpine cluster?
    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    I would say around 20 people from this forum, mostly 'mixed' individuals (i.e. one parent from northern Europe and one parent from southern Europe).

    But our friend Lukasz certainly has the full list.

    I'm mixed (one parent northern, and one southern euro) so I'm also in the "Alpine Cluster". (Plus I have one grandmother who actually is from N.E. Italy so she's not just a "midway average" point).

    My info was not posted on the thread because it was via email, but LukaszM has my data. The plot/dendogram he produced shows me in a triangle (Tirol) between Swiss/Austria/Italy (IT_Bolzano).

    LukaszM can use my data for the "Alpine Cluster" plot/graph if it's useful for the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    I would say around 20 people from this forum, mostly 'mixed' individuals (i.e. one parent from northern Europe and one parent from southern Europe).

    But our friend Lukasz certainly has the full list.
    We "Alpinists" could form our own group, calling ourselves the Mountain Trolls, lol.

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    Lukasz, what are the african populations you have added since then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBLAKE View Post
    We "Alpinists" could form our own group, calling ourselves the Mountain Trolls, lol.
    I've sent to Lukasz a list of possible Mountain Trolls. I'm sure he will work wonders when he has time
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    Hi Lucasz. Could you please do a report for a Russian friend of mine. He's particularly curious about whether he has some Lithuanian ancestry. Please post him as "JonikW friend". Money sent. No rush.

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    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Well, I'd say living just 50 Km away from the northern side of the Alps and having half of my familiy coming from this region would make me also kind of an example for an Alpine population. My K36 results are in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuffle View Post
    Well, I'd say living just 50 Km away from the northern side of the Alps and having half of my familiy coming from this region would make me also kind of an example for an Alpine population. My K36 results are in this thread.
    Besides the Bavarians and the west Germans, Dad has a 4th Great Grandmother who was born in Schottekin, Zurich (I think technically this was part of Bavaria back then) in 1732 and whose parents* came over to with a large family to the colonies (Pennsylvania>Virginia>Kentucky).


    So the Mountain Troll (not you, grandma) descent is real, although she was just one of 64 4th great grandparents.



    *Her mother, Dad's 5th great grandmother, died in an indian attack in 1782:
    Massacre near Crab Orchard
    In 1782, Hamman, his family, and the Baughman's began their move to Kentucky. Along the Wilderness Road at Dix River, near the town of Crab Orchard in Lincoln County, tragedy befell the party when Indians attacked their camp. Several accounts of this event are recorded in history.

    The first account can be found in "Kentucky, A History of the State", published in 1887, in a statement given by Joel Baughman. He states that his grandfather, Henry Baughman, Sr. was killed giving his relatives a chance to escape when Indians opened fire on the group about eight miles above Crab Orchard. Among those killed were: Hamman's unnamed son, only seven days old; Christina's aunt Margarethe Baughman Ferrill and her husband, Jonathan Ferrill; two of Christina's uncles, Jacob Baughman and Hans Henrich Baughman. Christina's maternal grandmother, Margaretha Schwizier Baughman (December 25, 1698 – October 17, 1782) was killed during the attack.

    A second account is found in the Draper Collection, Kentucky Papers, Volume 12, page 149, in an interview with George Yocum, Montgomery County, Kentucky. He states, "Philip Hamman was in the defeated camps on Flat Creek (near Dix River). He, his wife, and little child, were in the company." They had undressed and lain down when the attack began. "He sprang, snatched up the child, and his hid gun, and his wife followed after."

    A third account is found in "The Register", Kentucky Historical Society, Volume 36, July 1938, Whitley Papers, Volume 9. It states that "Baughman's Defeat was in October 1782 on the Wilderness Road and at the head of Dicks River. Jacob Baughman and his mother were killed. Mrs. (Christina) Hammans came into Crab Orchard in her linnen Wooley, wounded in the head with an arrow."

    A fourth account is told in the Dickey Diary, Lee College Archives, Jackson, Kentucky. Rev. Dickey interviewed William Jackson Cope in 1898 and he told of his grandfather's immigration to America from Germany. He said his grandparents were camped by the river and a dog started barking. Someone cried, "That dog is barking at Indians." The Indians then attacked the camp an it was a fearful slaughter. The Indians ripped the bed tickings, and feathers were flying everywhere.
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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Lukasz, what are the african populations you have added since then?
    Soon I will post full list.

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    I have southwest German and Swiss German great-grandfathers, too. My paternal 5th grandfather Hans Jacob Wagner from Basel, landed in Philadelphia in 1740. His Anglo schoolteacher changed his surname to Waggoner...Thanks a lot, Teach. Another paternal 5th grandfather Hans Seitz from Adelshofen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, landed in Pennsylvania in 1732. I don't know why I hate sauerkraut, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBLAKE View Post
    I have southwest German and Swiss German great-grandfathers, too. My paternal 5th grandfather Hans Jacob Wagner from Basel, landed in Philadelphia in 1740. His Anglo schoolteacher changed his surname to Waggoner...Thanks a lot, Teach. Another paternal 5th grandfather Hans Seitz from Adelshofen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, landed in Pennsylvania in 1732. I don't know why I hate sauerkraut, lol.
    There are probably two sub-Alpine clusters: one close to the bilingual (German/Italian) Northern Italians and another one close to Baden-Wurttemberg.

    Let's wait for Lukasz' findings...
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