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    Talking My Geno 2.0 Next Generation Helix Results

    I find that there are not many results posted on the internet from Helix, so here are mine.

    I am a plain old white American. Based on the paper trail, I am about 55% British Isles, and 40% German, with the rest being Dutch, French, Ashkenazi, Swedish, and unknown.

    Here are my results:

    Regional Ancestry
    Northwestern Europe 40%
    Eastern Europe 32%
    Southwestern Europe 22%
    Asia Minor 3%
    Northeastern Europe 2%

    Continental Ancestry
    Europe 97%
    Asia 3%

    Closest Reference Population: German (53% Northwestern Europe, 29% Eastern Europe, 16% Jewish Diaspora, 2% Northeastern Europe)
    2nd Closest Reference Population: French (53% Northwestern Europe, 27% Southwestern Europe, 9% West Mediterranean, 5% Eastern Europe, 4% Jewish Diaspora, 2% North Africa)

    Maternal Line: I1a1d (Shared by 0.1% of other participants)
    Paternal Line: C-F3320 (Shared by <0.1% of other participants)

    You: 1.5% Neanderthal/Average: 1.3% Neanderthal

    In Comparison:

    Ancestry:
    Europe 98%
    Europe West 51%
    Ireland 24%
    Scandinavia 7%
    Great Britain 5%
    Low Confidence Regions
    Europe East 6%
    Italy/Greece 4%
    Iberian Peninsula <1%
    West Asia 2%
    Low Confidence Regions
    Middle East 2%

    23andme:
    European
    100.0%
    Northwestern European
    92.5%
    British & Irish
    33.6%
    French & German
    15.3%
    Scandinavian
    6.0%
    Broadly Northwestern European
    37.5%
    Ashkenazi Jewish
    1.3%
    Eastern European
    1.1%
    Southern European
    0.8%
    Broadly Southern European
    0.8%
    Broadly European
    4.3%

    FTDNA:
    MyOrigins 1.0:
    71% Western and Central Europe
    29% Scandinavia
    MyOrigins 2.0:
    72% British Isles
    18% East Europe
    3% West and Central Europe
    5% West Middle East
    <2% Sephardic
    <2% Southeast Europe

    Hope this is helpful!
    Last edited by jpb; 04-22-2017 at 07:05 PM. Reason: Added more information

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    Interesting, you do have a really tricky UK+German mix though so none of them quite reads it out directly.

    I guess 23 comes the closest. Maybe Ancestry sorta second. (with a careful reading and knowing how the tests tend to react)

    Geno 2.0 NG Helix at first glance doesn't seem quite so on point but I guess if you read it taking into account how much German the new tests seem to put into Eastern European and then take all of the Eastern European as eastern learning German ancestry and then add in 10% Northwestern Europe for the more UK leaning type German ancestry you get 40% German and then you are left with 30% Northwestern Europe which all goes to UK and then add in 20% of the Southwestern Europe to sort of form all of the UK. Maybe osme of the Southwestern Europe could go to the German ancestry as well actually as if you have ancestry from all over Germany you might have both UK, southern French and Eastern European leaning regional ancestry from within Germany. A bit trickier read. Depends upon how stable it is.

    MyOrigins 1.0 could be read as all UK+German but that is a lot of reading into it and not making much clear at all and you could be lead to think you are almost all German with a touch of Scanindavian or maybe a little UK. MyOrigins 2.0 you have to read the Eastern European all as eastern leaning German but then they make more of the German as the UK leaning type and it would be very easy to mistake this result for all UK plus some real Eastern European.

    I guess MyOrigins 2.0 maybe seems the worst

    Your ancestry is so tricky though as tests really struggle vs UK vs German vs French and even bits of Scandinavian can get confused and bits of Eastern European with the German, etc. And Germany itself is said to have southern French looking parts, English looking parts, Scandinavian looking parts and Eastern European looking parts. And you have the perfect near 50:50 mix to confused them.

    None of the tests directly read out for you, reading the tea leaves the 23 and Ancestry results might be a bit easier to parse out if you came in knowing nothing, but could still not be read directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombatofthenorth View Post
    Interesting, you do have a really tricky UK+German mix though so none of them quite reads it out directly.

    I guess 23 comes the closest. Maybe Ancestry sorta second. (with a careful reading and knowing how the tests tend to react)

    Geno 2.0 NG Helix at first glance doesn't seem quite so on point but I guess if you read it taking into account how much German the new tests seem to put into Eastern European and then take all of the Eastern European as eastern learning German ancestry and then add in 10% Northwestern Europe for the more UK leaning type German ancestry you get 40% German and then you are left with 30% Northwestern Europe which all goes to UK and then add in 20% of the Southwestern Europe to sort of form all of the UK. Maybe osme of the Southwestern Europe could go to the German ancestry as well actually as if you have ancestry from all over Germany you might have both UK, southern French and Eastern European leaning regional ancestry from within Germany. A bit trickier read. Depends upon how stable it is.

    MyOrigins 1.0 could be read as all UK+German but that is a lot of reading into it and not making much clear at all and you could be lead to think you are almost all German with a touch of Scanindavian or maybe a little UK. MyOrigins 2.0 you have to read the Eastern European all as eastern leaning German but then they make more of the German as the UK leaning type and it would be very easy to mistake this result for all UK plus some real Eastern European.

    I guess MyOrigins 2.0 maybe seems the worst

    Your ancestry is so tricky though as tests really struggle vs UK vs German vs French and even bits of Scandinavian can get confused and bits of Eastern European with the German, etc. And Germany itself is said to have southern French looking parts, English looking parts, Scandinavian looking parts and Eastern European looking parts. And you have the perfect near 50:50 mix to confused them.

    None of the tests directly read out for you, reading the tea leaves the 23 and Ancestry results might be a bit easier to parse out if you came in knowing nothing, but could still not be read directly.
    Thank you! That is what I have been thinking. The problem also is how diverse my German heritage is in Germany! I have ancestors from what is now eastern Poland that were supposedly German, then some from Alsace-Lorraine.

    Recently, I did my exact paper trail percentages with subregions in Germany and Ireland:
    39.1% German (9.4% Pomerania, 8.6% Baden, 6.25% Bavaria, 6.25% Saxony, 3.5% Alsace, 3.1% Lower Saxony, 1.2% Rhineland, 0.4% Switzerland)
    32.4% English
    14.9% Scottish
    7.9% Irish (6.3% County Down, 1.6% County Antrim, unsure if it is Ulster Scots or Irish)
    2.4% Welsh
    1.5% Dutch
    0.5% French
    0.4% Italian
    0.3% Native American
    0.1% Swedish
    <0.1% Moroccan

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    My Eurogenes K13 Oracle-4 results are actually fairly interesting and somewhat similar to Geno.

    Here are my top 5:
    1 Belorussian + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.024510
    2 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.048676
    3 Belorussian + Danish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.142366
    4 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 2.157412
    5 Belorussian + Danish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 2.164811

    They all show pretty much (except the top one) 50% Northwest European, 25% Southwest European, 25% East European.

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    Wombatofthenorth, I just looked in the descriptions and apparently Eastern European includes German. It says it is acutally Central and Eastern European. Terrible labeling, but this makes the results make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpb View Post
    My Eurogenes K13 Oracle-4 results are actually fairly interesting and somewhat similar to Geno.

    Here are my top 5:
    1 Belorussian + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.024510
    2 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.048676
    3 Belorussian + Danish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.142366
    4 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 2.157412
    5 Belorussian + Danish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 2.164811

    They all show pretty much (except the top one) 50% Northwest European, 25% Southwest European, 25% East European.
    Hmm those EG K13 are interesting. For me EG K13 Oracles work the best of all. They are super similar to Geno 2.0 NG Helix, interesting.
    Maybe your Germans in Poland picked up a lot more Polish and eastern genes than imagined.

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    Yeah, that's what I am guessing, especially since there's some Ashkenazi ancestry from there too. They were from pretty far-eastern Poland and they all are brick walls, so I bet there's some Polish ancestry.

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    Ancestry and 23 do quite well for you still though taking into account that 23 tries and manages to keep Germans testing much more as part of Western Europe than those two newest tests do where they try to send of all of the non-UK, non-French like German to Eastern Europe as much as possible (which is actually kind of a pain for those in Eastern Europe trying to trace back actual German and other such roots since it just comes out as yet tons more Eastern European).

    MyOrigins 2.0 tends to go wild forcing German to UK-like or Eastern European-like, oddly for you it went totally the UK-like way.

    Some of the other have trouble trying to specifically call the UK stuff as being UK and just dump it into maybe a mix of UK's ancient components.

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    My dad (who has more of the German Polish ancestry) gets the Belorussian too and then both of them get the Iberian clusters.

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    Here is the info for the Eastern European cluster:
    "The Eastern and Central European component is predominantly associated with cultures from Poland, Germany, the former Austria-Hungarian Empire and the former Soviet republics of Belarus and Ukraine, and Western Russia. The same migration of hunter-gatherers who moved north to Finland and northern Russia are at the core of the earliest Eastern Europeans. Eventually, these groups met and mixed with the farmers who pushed in from southern Europe and the Near East, giving rise to the modern Eastern and Central Europeans. Thus this part of your ancestry has deep ties with and influences from multiple sources. They are a combination of Middle Eastern farmer, early European hunters, and Central Asian nomads. Today, this component is seen across various Eurasian groups, with the highest percentage found in Polish, Czech, Slovaks, Russians, Hungarians, Ukranians, as well as some German, Austrian and Balkan populations."

    And the Northeast European:
    "Hunter-gatherers were the first peoples to settle in Northeastern Europe, initiating an unique ancestry that would be traced back to this region. The region stretches from Lappland to parts of Siberia to the east, and although this cluster is genetically diverse, the root of many of these populations is a genetic signature found most often in Finnish, Northern Russian, and some Baltic peoples. The first humans in the regions pushed into the deep north only around 30,000 years ago, migrating to where no other Neanderthal had dared. The northerners maintained long-term lateral connections and developed a coherence as the ice retreated, all while keeping in touch with populations in the south. Today, this ancestry is seen in Saami hunters and fishers, as well as Uralic, Russian, Finnish, and some Scandinavian peoples."

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