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    R-Z17153 instead of R-U152

    Hey Community!

    "My" paternal haplogroup did a change now. It went from U152 to Z17153 under DF19!
    Does somebody has informations to z17153 ? Why did they change it now, when it didn't change with the 67-marker? Is this a new found SNP?

    Thank you !
    Last edited by hannah-lena; 05-12-2017 at 10:13 PM.
    Maternal: H33c, Mária Bresits b. ca. 1860, Austria-Hungary
    Maternal father: R-CTS2509, Carolus Felbinger b. 1732 Germany
    Paternal: R-U152, Karl b. 1889, unknown father, Austria
    Paternal mother: H16c, Anna Müller b. 1905, Austria

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    Did someone do a Big Y or SNP pack? In my experience, the STRs are not terribly reliable for a lot of DF19s.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    We did no Big Y or SNP test ! It just change out of the blue..

    Your Confirmed Haplogroup is R-Z17153

    Haplogroup R-P312 is the descendant of the major R-P25 (aka R-M343) lineage and is the most common in Central Europe, Spain, France, Portugal, and the British Isles.
    Maternal: H33c, Mária Bresits b. ca. 1860, Austria-Hungary
    Maternal father: R-CTS2509, Carolus Felbinger b. 1732 Germany
    Paternal: R-U152, Karl b. 1889, unknown father, Austria
    Paternal mother: H16c, Anna Müller b. 1905, Austria

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    I don't even see R-Z17153 on the DF19 list. [edit: I see it now on the SNP list, not on the terminal SNP Chart -- looks like "you" might end up with Z17155 or Z17156 as a terminal SNP with more testing]
    Have you joined the FTDNA DF19 member group? The admins there know a lot (including more than FTDNA) about the SNPs.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Thank you Dewsloth! I will ask them, if they can help me. A thing I really wonder about is the new haplotype I received 3 months after the results of the 67-marker.

    Is it possible that there aren't a lot information's about DF19 and the subgroups? The only thing I can find is the Ftdna-group itself.
    Maternal: H33c, Mária Bresits b. ca. 1860, Austria-Hungary
    Maternal father: R-CTS2509, Carolus Felbinger b. 1732 Germany
    Paternal: R-U152, Karl b. 1889, unknown father, Austria
    Paternal mother: H16c, Anna Müller b. 1905, Austria

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    You're right. There isn't a lot of information so far on DF19 outside of the FTDNA group. But the group has a fair bit and is always looking for more. Also, since DF19 is a subclade of P312, it shares the P312 history with the other subclades (like L21,L238, DF27,DF99, and U152) - they all share a common ancestor.

    I think so far the oldest confirmed DF19 is part of the Driffield Terrace Roman burials, in York, about 200AD. However DF19 should roughly be at least as old as the other P312 subclades and new research could come up with something 1000 years older at any time. Some burials already identified only as P312 could later be determined to beDF19, I think this is what happened with the Driffield soldier/gladiator.
    If your most distant DF19 ancestor was from Austria, he looks like the first from there in the group, although there are some from Bavaria so it's not too unusual.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Thank you for your answer !
    I wrote ftdna and the Df19 group and am now waiting for an explanation or some help !
    Maternal: H33c, Mária Bresits b. ca. 1860, Austria-Hungary
    Maternal father: R-CTS2509, Carolus Felbinger b. 1732 Germany
    Paternal: R-U152, Karl b. 1889, unknown father, Austria
    Paternal mother: H16c, Anna Müller b. 1905, Austria

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    Did you do the Geno 2.0 test? I can see two kits in the U152 project who are now R-Z17153. This might be a glitch if you were listed as U152+ before.

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    Yes mafe you are right ! If the changed kits are from Austria it is probably us...
    We did Geno before and we had problems! Geno clustered my father as R-z191. On Ftdna we had a glitch for 2 months until they categorized him as U152 when we received the 67 results. That's the point why I am so confused at the moment. I mean it is a whole new sistergroup not a subgroup.
    I wrote them and hope to get an explanation or correction soon.
    Why does this even change out of nowhere?!
    Maternal: H33c, Mária Bresits b. ca. 1860, Austria-Hungary
    Maternal father: R-CTS2509, Carolus Felbinger b. 1732 Germany
    Paternal: R-U152, Karl b. 1889, unknown father, Austria
    Paternal mother: H16c, Anna Müller b. 1905, Austria

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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah-lena View Post
    Yes mafe you are right ! If the changed kits are from Austria it is probably us...
    We did Geno before and we had problems! Geno clustered my father as R-z191. On Ftdna we had a glitch for 2 months until they categorized him as U152 when we received the 67 results. That's the point why I am so confused at the moment. I mean it is a whole new sistergroup not a subgroup.
    I wrote them and hope to get an explanation or correction soon.
    Why does this even change out of nowhere?!
    Yes, one of the kits is from Austria so it must be yours. On the SNP page you are confirmed U152+. Z191 is not very reliable because it appears in many subclades and haplogroups. Some SNPs are problematic and the Geno 2.0 test often has problems with SNPs that appear in more than one subclade or haplogroup. In your SNP list are several SNPs that belong to various subclades so you might belong to a different subclade although it is more likely that you are U152+. You are also positive for Z39 which is an SNP below U152>Z36.
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