DMXX's Geno 2.0 Results

[Ebizur]

Thank you for the input. Do you have any ideas concerning which unsampled East Asian ethnic groups may have D4j5, or was this comment concerning the differing testing protocols between the studies shown in the mtDNA D wiki page?

It's the latter, unfortunately. It seems to have been standard protocol for many years already to distinguish between D4 and D5 (or, in many cases, D5 and D(xD5)), but you may consider yourself lucky if you find a study in which the authors have been kind enough to distinguish D4j from other subclades of D4, let alone going further to distinguish D4j5.

[DMXX]

Updating this thread regarding my broader Y-DNA results (STRs) rather than creating a new one.

After the recent publication of some new Pakistani Pashtun Y-DNA by Lee et al., I decided to compare this data (along with several other R2a-M124 samples) against my results. Full table shown below in geographical order (west-to-east).

As usual, no clear-cut similarities. West Iranian sample I323 is arguably the best match (12/19). However, I noticed an unusual coupling between us two and one of the Pakistani Pashtuns (PK-158). If differences exist, they tend to only be 1-step mutations between the three of us. Unfortunately there's some tested marker mismatch (DYS426, DYS446). Excluding DYS389II, the three of us also share a 9 STR haplotype which seems to span across loci with various mutation rates.

I don't consider this authoritative by any means, but this similarity in the face of glaringly poor STR overlap between me, I323 and the other Haber et al. Iranians makes it abundantly clear Iranian R2a-M124 is of diverse origins. With respect to the Iranian-Pashtun haplotype, I am fairly confident it would extend to at least 11-12 STRs if the marker mismatch was addressed.

 

Population	Sample	Study [Year]	STR overlap (total)	DYS19	DYS389I	DYS389II	DYS390	DYS391	DYS392	DYS393	DYS385	DYS385b	DYS426	DYS438	DYS439	DYS437	DYS448	DYS456	DYS458	DYS635	YGATAH4	DYS388	DYS446	DYS447	DYS449	DYS464	DYS464 overlap (out of 4)	SNP confirmed?
Turkey [Central]	G05	Gokcumen [2011]	10 (17)	14	13	28	23	10	10	14	13	18		11	10	15	20	15	16	25	21							Misprediction (Ypredictor >90% probability R2a)
Turkey [Central]	G19	Gokcumen [2011]	10 (17)	14	13	28	23	10	10	14	13	18		11	10	15	20	15	16	25	21							Misprediction (Ypredictor >90% probability R2a)
Turkey [Central]	M16	Gokcumen [2011]	9 (17)	14	14	29	23	10	10	12	13	18		9	11	15	19	15	16	22	20							Misprediction (Ypredictor >90% probability R2a)
Turkey [Central]	M27	Gokcumen [2011]	6 (17)	14	15	31	23	10	9	12	13	18		9	11	15	19	15	17	22	20							Misprediction (Ypredictor >90% probability R2a)
Daghestan [Mt Jew]	D001	Bertoncini [2012]	9 (17)	15	14	29	23	10	10	14	13	20		11	11	14	19	15	17		11	12						
Daghestan [Mt Jew]	D011	Bertoncini [2012]	10 (17)	14	14	29	23	10	10	14	13	20		11	11	14	19	15	17		11	12						
Daghestan [Mt Jew]	D014	Bertoncini [2012]	11 (17)	14	15	30	23	10	10	14	13	20		11	11	14	19	16	17		11	12						
Iran [West]	I323	Haber [2007]	12 (19)	14	14	30	23	10	10	14	13	19	12	11	10	17	18	15	17	25	11	12						P
Iran [West]	I324	Haber [2007]	6 (19)	13	14	29	24	10	10	13	13	18	12	10	10	16	19	16	18	26	13	12						P
My Y-DNA [Azeri Iranian]		Not Applicable	Not Applicable	14	14	30	23	10	10	14	13	19	12	11	11	15	20	16	16	Notest	11	13	12	25	34	12,14,15,15	NA	P
Iran [East]	I122	Haber [2007]	7 (19)	14	12	29	23	11	10	14	11	19	12	11	10	16	19	15	17	27	12	12						P
Iran [East]	I123	Haber [2007]	7 (19)	14	13	29	25	10	10	15	14	19	12	11	11	16	19	15	17	25	10	12						P
Iran [East]	I124	Haber [2007]	7 (19)	16	14	31	22	10	11	13	15	20	12	11	10	15	20	16	17	24	13	12						P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-002	Lee [2014]	14 (25)	15	13	30	23	10	10	14	11	21		11	11	16	19	16	16	25	12	12	12	27	34	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-011	Lee [2014]	12 (25)	15	14	30	23	11	10	14	13	18		11	11	16	19	15	16	27	12	13	13	27	31	14,15,16	2	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-047	Lee [2014]	13 (25)	14	14	29	23	10	10	14	11	21		11	11	16	20	15	18	24	12	12	12	27	30	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-052	Lee [2014]	13 (25)	15	13	29	23	10	10	14	13	20		11	11	16	19	16	17	24	11	12	12	26	32	12,14,15,16	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-057	Lee [2014]	14 (25)	15	14	30	23	10	10	14	13	13		11	11	16	19	16	16	26	12	12	13	28	33	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-085	Lee [2014]	11 (25)	14	14	31	23	10	10	13	13	17		11	12	16	19	16	18	25	11	12	12	28	31	13,15	1	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-099	Lee [2014]	8 (25)	15	13	29	24	10	11	13	15	20		11	11	16	19	14	17	24	11	12	12	26	30	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-108	Lee [2014]	10 (25)	14	13	29	23	10	10	13	12	19		11	11	17	19	15	18	25	12	12	11	27	32	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-111	Lee [2014]	9 (25)	15	12	28	22	10	10	14	13	17		11	10	16	19	16	18	24	12	12	12	27	30	12,15	2	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-125	Lee [2014]	10 (25)	15	13	29	24	10	10	14	12	18		11	9	16	19	15	17	24	11	13	12	27	31	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-155	Lee [2014]	11 (25)	14	13	29	23	10	10	14	14	18		11	11	16	17	19	16	24	12	12	13	26	32	12,14,15,16	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-158	Lee [2014]	14 (25)	14	14	31	23	10	10	14	13	19		11	10	15	19	15	18	25	12	13	12	24	31	12,13,15	2	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-185	Lee [2014]	12 (25)	14	14	30	23	10	10	14	13	15		12	10	16	19	15	17	25	12	12	12	27	31	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-195	Lee [2014]	12 (25)	14	14	31	23	10	10	15	13	15		11	12	16	18	15	17	24	12	12	12	25	32	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-205	Lee [2014]	13 (25)	15	14	30	23	10	10	14	13	18		11	11	15	19	15	18	25	12	12	11	25	31	11,13,14,15	2	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-206	Lee [2014]	13 (25)	14	14	29	23	11	10	14	13	20		10	11	16	20	15	18	24	11	12	11.2	25	32	12,14,15,16	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-233	Lee [2014]	14 (25)	15	13	30	23	10	10	14	11	21		11	11	16	19	16	16	25	12	12	12	26	34	12,14,15	3	P
Pakistan [Pathan]	PK-259	Lee [2014]	10 (25)	14	13	29	23	10	10	14	11	19		11	10	16	19	15	18	25	12	12	12	28	32	13,14,15	2	P

[redifflal]

Your results make sense to me. From the Iranians I have met in real life in the US, I was surprised to see that the Genographic's Iranian reference population scored so high in the SW Asian category (higher than North Indians, but that is another story). SW-Asian should be highest in South Indians, and decrease in a cline northwestwards through North and West India, Iran, Eastern Europe, Central Europe, etc. Seems like we have the same Y-DNA. I am R-PF7510 on Genographic, R-F813 on FTDNA (means I tested negative for L295). Not sure what these all mean though in terms of movement into subcontinent.