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    Ancient J-M12

    aDNA from "Continuity and admixture in the last five millennia of Levantine history from ancient Canaanite and present-day Lebanese genome sequences"
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448

    EGAN00001390965 age 3,650 ybp
    J-M12(xL283)

    low coverage 1.69X

    maybe M241+ or M205+?... no call?
    negative for L283 and downstream
    Last edited by Maximus; 05-26-2017 at 09:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    aDNA from "Continuity and admixture in the last five millennia of Levantine history from ancient Canaanite and present-day Lebanese genome sequences"
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448

    EGAN00001390965 age 3,650 ybp
    J-M12(xL283)

    low coverage 1.69X

    maybe M241+ or M205+?... no call?
    negative for L283 and downstream
    Considering​ he is J2b-M12 and negative for J2b2a-L283, I think he is most likely J2b1-M205, or J2b2b-Z2453 which is more unlikely but possible.

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    Why do you think Z2453 unlikely? A lot of Jewish people also have Z2453.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakodiP View Post
    Why do you think Z2453 unlikely? A lot of Jewish people also have Z2453.
    Yes, J2b2b-Z2453 is possible, but I think J2b1-M205 is much more likely considering it's been found in aDNA in the Levant area, as well as its modern distribution there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    Yes, J2b2b-Z2453 is possible, but I think J2b1-M205 is much more likely considering it's been found in aDNA in the Levant area, as well as its modern distribution there.
    One of the Ancient Egyptian samples from Abusir el Malaq also was J2b1-M205, so it really looks like this marker was more common in the region by the past. I also think the Bronze Age Sidonian will be J2b1-M205.
    מְכֹרֹתַיִךְ וּמֹלְדֹתַיִךְ מֵאֶרֶץ הַכְּנַעֲנִי אָבִיךְ הָאֱמֹרִי וְאִמֵּךְ חִתִּית
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    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    I carry haplogroup J-M12 and I am an Arabs from Palestine currently but it looks like our history comes from North Africa and Arabia

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    that gives more strong base for J2 in the fertile crescent.

    regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmoud Khweis View Post
    I carry haplogroup J-M12 and I am an Arabs from Palestine currently but it looks like our history comes from North Africa and Arabia
    Do you have eurogenes G25 data for J-M12? The Palestinians and their history with the J-M12 is most interesting, as it overlaps with the Peoples of the Sea anyway (PLST)
    Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro:YF83820
    Distance: 6.5757% / 0.06575750
    50.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    27.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    14.0 WHG
    8.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    0.2 Han

    Ukrainian_Dnipro:YF83820,0.127482,0.12491,0.064488 ,0.048773,0.037853,0.018686,0.009165,0.010615,-0.00409,-0.02041,-0.000162,-0.006744,0.012042,0.023121,-0.008686,-0.01127,-0.009779,0.00076,0.003142,0.002001,-0.000873,-0.006925,0.000986,-0.001566,0.002155

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