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Thread: Hunnish DNA found in Europe?

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    A lot of Haplogroup G,I and R.

    "N-6. (Tat+ L708+ Z9136+ L1034+ L1442+)" is called "2400 BP Ugric/proto-Magyar". What's about the N-Group? Are they ugric, avaric or hunnic?
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    Ambiguous claims. What surity do we have that it was a hun body? could have been anyone plus also assuming that the body was 100's pf years old what must have been the quality of the DNA sample. Even now, with all the technology we have and submit our swabs, some DNA samples fail and do not yield enough SNP's/calls. A 100's of year Hun Body produced a correct Y SNP call or ancestry call is a big question mark ! but good for creating thrill amongst the genealogical community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
    Hello dear Community,

    I am interested in genetical leftovers of the Huns, which was a central asian people. They spoke a turkic language, as far as I know. After the death of Attila the Huns splitted all over Eastern Europe and the Caucasus Region. Some of them were settled in the so-called "Dobruja"-Region, which is in Romania and Bulgaria today. Below the Volga settled the "Hunno-Bulgarians", they were called the descendants of the Huns.

    Are there any genetical projects about the Huns? What is their assumed Y-DNA Haplogroup?
    I think they had some haplogroups people would hesitate to accept they might have had, some from N. Caucasians & Ossetians and some 'Slavic' especially R1a-M558, which is as I have said is relatively high in non-IE groups (mostly Uralic).
    Also, R1a-Z93 and then some haplogroups which are stereotypically Turkic.
    Note that the link between Huns and Xiognu is speculative and unprovable and if it's real it can be old. Also the theories concerning the 'migration period' don't exactly reflect reality.

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    From what I know the MRCA of the Q-M25 Hungarians is about 1700 years (according to Q project). So there is a high possibility the Huns brought in these (and other) haplogroups. But (most of) these guys are ethnic Szekelys.
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    I'm not a historian nor DNA specialist.. just want to turn your attention to, in my opinion, a possible link to European Huns. Please consider the role of Jie tribe in the Xiongnu Confederacy. Seems that they were Yeniseian and the source of Q in the Xiongnu history (Mongolian and Chinese burials). Perhaps they or some of their ruling elites might later became the root of the Hunnic (in fact multiethnic band) entering Europe.

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    Exotic haplogroups like Q are not really indicative of Hunnish ancestry. It's probably much more likely for exotic haplogroups to have come from Old Hungarians, Avars, or Old Bulgars than Huns. The name Hungary is actually quite misleading. It has nothing to do with Huns and was originally spelled without the letter <H> in the beginning but then added later on due to the mistaken belief that the French name Ongrie (derived from the Turkic Onogur + Latin suffix -ie) was derived from the name of the Huns. The <H> was later added to Ongrie and it became Hongrie and that is the word that the English name is derived from. In Old English, the name used was Ungerland. If I'm not mistaken, Asian DNA (both autosomal and chromosomal) is quite a bit more common among Szeklers (as well as ethnic Romanians) than among Hungarians from Hungary. Hunnish DNA probably also exists among Hungarians (as well as other Carpathians), but I doubt most of the minor Asian ancestry among people in that region is from them.
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    How can they judge whether a found skeleton belongs to a Hun etc.? I know they get this from a certain period of time, but many other people also lived in that time and region? Do they also find weapons in a grave that they can probably link to something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl1tzTurk View Post
    How can they judge whether a found skeleton belongs to a Hun etc.? I know they get this from a certain period of time, but many other people also lived in that time and region? Do they also find weapons in a grave that they can probably link to something?
    Context of the graves, goods contained within, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Context of the graves, goods contained within, etc.
    Yes probably weaponry also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl1tzTurk View Post
    Yes probably weaponry also.
    There was a study recently which said something about anthropological evaluation being one of the determinants.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1.full

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