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    Inviting All Y Haplogropu H to Participate

    Dear forum members,

    I am starting this thread to invite all genealogical keeners ( specially people with Y haplogroup H) to participate and share their thoughts about origin/current geographic coverage and sub clad discussion :

    I am an H and this is my terminal SNP:



    Coverage as percentage of population for the countries below is as under :




    Also I am curious if H is the Harappa /Mohenjo-Daro ancient Haplogroup and we are the decendants of them!

    Open to comments and feedback !

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    My downstream of H is more then likely same as you,H-Z14258.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    My downstream of H is more then likely same as you,H-Z14258.
    Haplogroup H is one of the most rare haplogroups and with the most shallow sub clade tree. Surprisingly enough, only 26 % of current day indian population has it and only 6 percent in Pakistan! or it could be that these regions are still under sampled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandhara View Post
    Haplogroup H is one of the most rare haplogroups and with the most shallow sub clade tree. Surprisingly enough, only 26 % of current day indian population has it and only 6 percent in Pakistan! or it could be that these regions are still under sampled.
    results of over 1200 samples. R1a take major chunk and then for rest of dozen or so haplogrups only about half of samples are left to divide between them. H isn't rare compared to other haplogroups not named r1a.
    Last edited by bol_nat; 06-02-2017 at 03:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    My downstream of H is more then likely same as you,H-Z14258.
    @bol_nat: I'm also H-Z14258
    What's also interesting is that my mtDNA Haplogroup is M5a'd (and your's is M5a)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandhara View Post
    Dear forum members,

    I am starting this thread to invite all genealogical keeners ( specially people with Y haplogroup H) to participate and share their thoughts about origin/current geographic coverage and sub clad discussion :

    I am an H and this is my terminal SNP:



    Coverage as percentage of population for the countries below is as under :




    Also I am curious if H is the Harappa /Mohenjo-Daro ancient Haplogroup and we are the decendants of them!

    Open to comments and feedback !
    H is a very old haplogroup. It was found in Neolithic Europe and Anatolia among EEFs but in South Asia it has different origins. I would associate it with Iran-Neo admixture but without ancient dna from South Asia we don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    H is a very old haplogroup. It was found in Neolithic Europe and Anatolia among EEFs but in South Asia it has different origins. I would associate it with Iran-Neo admixture but without ancient dna from South Asia we don't know.
    It hasnt been found in the SW Iran Neolithic so far.

    R2 seems to have the strongest link with Iran_N (Ganj Dareh)

    Eurogenes:
    Iran_Mesolithic (Hotu Cave)

    I1293: J(xJ2a1b3, J2b2a1a1)

    Iran_N

    I1945: P1(xQ, R1b1a2, R1a1a1b1a1b, R1a1a1b1a3a, R1a1a1b2a2a) (probably R2)

    I1949: CT

    Iran_LN

    I1671: G2a1(xG2a1a)

    Iran_ChL (Chalcolithic Iran)

    I1662: J(xJ1a, J2a1, J2b)
    I1674: G1a(xG1a1

    From Narasimhan:

    I1947 R2 R2a Ganj_Dareh_N 8210-7845 calBCE (8860±30 BP, Beta-432800) Iran
    I1954 R2 R2a Ganj_Dareh_N 8330-8255 calBCE (9000±40 BP, Beta-436170) Iran
    I7527 U7a .. Ganj_Dareh_N 8200-7700 BCE Iran
    I1946 .. R2a Ganj_Dareh_N_father.of.I1947_father.of.I1952 8250-7850 BCE Iran
    I1952 R R2a Ganj_Dareh_N_son.of.I1946_brother.of.I1947 8219-7761 calBCE Iran

    H1a and F seem to have the strongest presence in peninsular India and Sri Lanka in terms of a region which would associate both or one of them with the AASI
    Last edited by bmoney; 05-23-2018 at 01:01 AM.

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    I note that that dendrogram has your H-Z14258 lineage positioned as a subclade of H-M52, whereas the current version of the YFull tree (v5.04) has H-Z14258 as a subclade of H-Z5867 directly under H-M69 and outside the H-M52 clade. It appears that there is still a great deal of uncertainty regarding the phylogenetic structure of Y-DNA haplogroup H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    H is a very old haplogroup. It was found in Neolithic Europe and Anatolia among EEFs but in South Asia it has different origins. I would associate it with Iran-Neo admixture but without ancient dna from South Asia we don't know.
    True and is said to be 50,000 yrs and originated in India and interestingly enough the coverage is more in Romani people than Indian people themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    I note that that dendrogram has your H-Z14258 lineage positioned as a subclade of H-M52, whereas the current version of the YFull tree (v5.04) has H-Z14258 as a subclade of H-Z5867 directly under H-M69 and outside the H-M52 clade. It appears that there is still a great deal of uncertainty regarding the phylogenetic structure of Y-DNA haplogroup H.
    The H Tree is constantly changing , with snps moved from here n there, a lot of uncertainty as I mentioned that it is one of the rare male lineages and with not a robust phylogenetic structure at the moment.

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