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    Great maps from "Indo-european demic diffusion model" 06.2107

    Fresh paper. I didn't have time to read it (yet), but maps are great!

    https://indo-european.info/indo-european-de...ion-model-2.pdf


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    Paleolithic epoch


    Mesolithic epoch


    Neolithic 5000-4000 B.C.


    Eneolithic 4000-3100 B.C.


    Copper age 3100-2600 B.C.


    Late Copper age 2660-2250 B.C.



    Early Bronze Age 2250-1750 B.C.


    Middle Bronze Age 1750-1250 B.C.



    Late Bronze Age 1250-750 B.C.


    Iron age 750-250 B.C.


    250 B.C. - 250 A.D.


    250-750 A.D.


    750-1300 A.D.
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    Interesting, thanks for sharing.

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    Looks cool but I think not all ancient Y-DNA sites are included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Looks cool but I think not all ancient Y-DNA sites are included.
    Is there one with South/Central Asia fully visible?

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    Interesting maps! Do colors from one map to the next indicate related cultures? If so it looks like the claim przeworsk culture is ancestral to the early Slavs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    Interesting maps! Do colors from one map to the next indicate related cultures? If so it looks like the claim przeworsk culture is ancestral to the early Slavs
    Hard to say.

    But I regret author focused mostly on R1b in paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    it looks like the claim przeworsk culture is ancestral to the early Slavs
    No. Przeworsk is clearly marked Germanic and shows the Vandals and Goths moving southwards, the Goths into the Chernyakhov culture beside the Black Sea. What he actually says is:

    East of the Przeworsk zone was the Zarubinets culture (3rd c. BC – 2st c. AD), considered a part of the Przeworsk complex (Mallory and Douglas 1997), located between the upper and middle Dnieper and Pripyat rivers. Early Slavic hydronyms are found in the area, and the prototypical examples of Prague-type pottery later originated there (Curta 2001). It is therefore to be identified as Proto-Slavic (Kobyliński 2005).

    Zarubinets came to an end with the migration of its population, linked to the increasingly arid climate. By the 3rd century western parts of Zarubinets had been integrated into the Wielbark culture, and some Zarubinets groups had moved southward into river valleys, moving closer to Sarmatian and Thracian-Celtic groups of the Don region and forming the Chernoles culture. Central late Zarubinets sites gradually turned into the Kiev culture (ca. 3rd-5th c.), widely considered the first identifiable Slavic archaeological culture, from which Prague-Penkov-Kolochin complex of cultures – identified with the expansion of Proto-Slavic (Mallory and Douglas 1997) – descended about the 5th c. (Figure 22).
    By Mallory and Douglas 1997 he means J. P. Mallory and Douglas Adams 1997, which is a very useful volume, but now out of date. Recent Polish archaeologists do not attempt to couple the Przeworsk and Zarubinets cultures, or to claim that the early Slavs sprang from the soil of Poland. Przeworsk sprang from Jastorf plus extra Celtic influence. From the point where Quiles talks about the Kiev culture, he is on solid ground re the Slavs.

    The paper is a brave attempt, but guided it seems by a desire to downplay the role of Corded Ware, which seems to me misguided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    No. Przeworsk is clearly marked Germanic and shows the Vandals and Goths moving southwards, the Goths into the Chernyakhov culture beside the Black Sea.
    Jean, what is your impression of the overall accuracy of this series of detailed maps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celt_?? View Post
    Jean, what is your impression of the overall accuracy of this series of detailed maps?
    I have not had time to study them. I simply checked the Przeworsk issue because Brent brought it up. Which point attracted your attention?

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