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    FTDNA U152 Project Closing in on 2000 members

    Currently sitting at 1981 members https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background.

    Took 8 years and 8 months to get the first 1000, and 3 years and 3 months to get to the next 1000.
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    Any idea how many SNPs were added since the project began?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celt_?? View Post
    Any idea how many SNPs were added since the project began?
    1 SNP from 2005 (when project started and U152 was discovered) to 2007.

    3 SNPs in 2008 when U152>L2 and L2>L20 were added to ISOGG tree.

    8 SNPs in 2011 when U152>Z36 and U152>Z56 were added...along with U152>L2>Z367, U152>L2>Z49, and U152>L2>Z49>Z142

    18 SNPs in 2012's and 2013's U152 ISOGG tree, but the FTDNA U152 project had more SNPs in it than ISOGG was showing.

    An EUPEDIA U152 tree from August 2013 shows 30 SNPs on it, which is probably close to what the FTDNA U152 project had at the time

    In early 2014 BigY results started coming in and the SNP flood gates opened. If I recall FGC SNP results started coming in in late 2013.

    In today's Ytree.net Bigtree, there are 2073 SNPs shown in the U152 section.
    http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=28
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    Very interesting; I am on the verge of joining :-)

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    Just 7 more to go to hit 2000. I was hoping to hit 2000 on father's day (today). Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Just 7 more to go to hit 2000. I was hoping to hit 2000 on father's day (today). Oh well.
    Well, I would join if I could, but since I am R1b-L21 . . .
     


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    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 06-29-2017 at 03:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I now see 1997.

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    I swapped emails with MitchellSince1893 on June 5th, right after he started this thread. At that time the U152 project at FTDNA had 1981 members, and the DF27 project had 1868; we were a little behind, but also "closing in on 2000." My email had to do with comparison of our rates of project growth, since these two major subdivisions of P312 began as brothers below ZZ11. I'll paste in a screen shot of a graphic from Alex Williamson's current version of The Big Tree to illustrate that relationship, for those who may be unaware of it. If it's a thumbnail, click to enlarge:

    Screen Shot 2017-06-29 at 12.31.25 PM.png

    Our paths to 2000 have not been very similar. U152 has had a project for about six years longer, starting essentially from its discovery. By contrast DF27 (after it was discovered late in 2011) began its separate project only in July, 2013. However, the latter started with a bit more than 500 members, that MikeWww had found in other projects (especially the P312 and Subclades project); U152 had to start from the first few examples that had been found.

    Anyway, a couple of hints suggest that the remaining gap will probably be closed within a few months, though on the far side of 2000. From June 5 - 29, 2017, U152 has grown from 1981 to 1996. In that same period, DF27 has grown from 1868 to 1903. In part, this reflects the population sizes; DF27 was stronger in a colonizing part of Europe, and the testing at FTDNA emphasizes colonial populations in the western hemisphere. But the narrowing gap also reflects NextGen testing. On the ZZ11 branch of Alex's Big Tree illustrated above, U152 is represented by 412 samples (that have had BigY, FGC Elite, 1000 Genomes or similar sequencing); DF27 is represented by 737.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    ...On the ZZ11 branch of Alex's Big Tree illustrated above, U152 is represented by 412 samples (that have had BigY, FGC Elite, 1000 Genomes or similar sequencing); DF27 is represented by 737.
    Another comparison is the number of SNPs and other mutations on Alex's Ytree
    L21 currently has 8966 (60% of all mutations in the P312 section of tree)
    DF27 has 3354
    U152 has 2131
    L238 has 149
    ZZ37/ZZ38 has 143
    DF99 has 102
    DF19 has 96
    Y18209 has 28
    A906 has 25.

    Overall there are 15025 SNPs and other mutations in the P312 section of the Ytree.net (above totals + 31 other SNPs above/outside of L21, DF27 and U152)

    U106 which is a late addition to ytree.net has 1074.

    16099 total.
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