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    J1a2a1b-P58 among the East Slavic peoples

    I didn't know about any J1a2a1b-P58 among the East Slavic peoples before 2016 when 413895 Fedostsev got his results. He has got a Russian 5/67 match (who is hidden and does not make part of any project) with FGC15938+ confirmed by J-M267 SNP Pack. I think Fedostsev is FGC15938+ too though he is in the YSC76 Ungrouped in the J1 Project.

    This year 624036 Golubtsov has got his Y67 and then confirmed his CTS5332+ by Big Y. He is in the J1 Project too.

    Looks like they are both distant from everybody at FTDNA (except the hidden Fedostsev's Russian match) and their paternal line ancestors were a part of some ancient migration to the Eastern Europe which archeological traces I can't find till now.
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    The answer might be in these maps: https://indo-european.info/indo-euro...on-model-2.pdf

    There's nothing directly about J1 there, but it must be part of the story.

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    Could be Scytho-Sarmatian since there was a Sarmatian sample found to be J1 but I don't know if it was a P58 sample
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

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    i'm 5332 too , i'm probably related to his ancestor too , i'm close to find it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Could be Scytho-Sarmatian since there was a Sarmatian sample found to be J1 but I don't know if it was a P58 sample
    There was a Scythian J P58 from Kazakstan
    Most distant known ancestor Qaraqoyunlu Turkmen Emir Saad, owner of the Chuxur Saad (Erivan province), Chieftain of the Turkoman Saadlu tribe (Black Sheep Turkomans) 14th century. Buried here : Hidden Content


    Azerbaijani Turkic Project
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    Turkmenistan DNA Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilgar View Post
    There was a Scythian J P58 from Kazakstan
    From which study is this J-P58 samples from?

    I checked a spreadsheet of ancient J1 samples and this sample isn't on there, though the spreadsheet does lack a couple of samples.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

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    Here you are:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3346985
    Shifts in the Genetic Landscape of the Western Eurasian Steppe Associated with the Beginning and End of the Scythian Dominance

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    Most distant known ancestor Qaraqoyunlu Turkmen Emir Saad, owner of the Chuxur Saad (Erivan province), Chieftain of the Turkoman Saadlu tribe (Black Sheep Turkomans) 14th century. Buried here : Hidden Content


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