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    k1a4a1a vs k1a4a1a2

    23andme gives my mtDNA haplogroup as k1a4a1a, but if I run it through James Lick's tool the best mtDNA haplogroup match comes up at k1a4a1a2

    However, both come up as an imperfect match:

    Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

    1) K1a4a1a2

    Defining Markers for haplogroup K1a4a1a2:
    HVR2: 73G 263G 497T
    CR: 750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 4769G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13740C 14167T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15884A
    HVR1: (16093C) 16224C 16245T 16311C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup K1a4a1a2 (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 1811G ⇨ U2'3'4'7'8'9 ⇨ 9698C ⇨ U8 ⇨ 3480G ⇨ U8b'c ⇨ 9055A 14167T ⇨ U8b ⇨ 10550G 11299C 14798C 16224C 16311C ⇨ K ⇨ 1189C 10398G ⇨ K1 ⇨ 497T (16093C) ⇨ K1a ⇨ 11485C ⇨ K1a4 ⇨ 6260A ⇨ K1a4a ⇨ 11840T 13740C ⇨ K1a4a1 ⇨ 4295G 15884A ⇨ K1a4a1a ⇨ 16245T ⇨ K1a4a1a2 ⇨ (16519C)

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(32): 73G 263G 497T 750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 4769G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13740C 14167T 14766T 14798C 16224C 16245T 16311C
    Mismatches(0): (16093T)
    Extras(0): (16519C)
    No-Calls(1): 15884A
    Untested(1): 15326

    2) K1a4a1a

    Defining Markers for haplogroup K1a4a1a:
    HVR2: 73G 263G 497T
    CR: 750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 4769G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13740C 14167T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15884A
    HVR1: (16093C) 16224C 16311C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup K1a4a1a (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 1811G ⇨ U2'3'4'7'8'9 ⇨ 9698C ⇨ U8 ⇨ 3480G ⇨ U8b'c ⇨ 9055A 14167T ⇨ U8b ⇨ 10550G 11299C 14798C 16224C 16311C ⇨ K ⇨ 1189C 10398G ⇨ K1 ⇨ 497T (16093C) ⇨ K1a ⇨ 11485C ⇨ K1a4 ⇨ 6260A ⇨ K1a4a ⇨ 11840T 13740C ⇨ K1a4a1 ⇨ 4295G 15884A ⇨ K1a4a1a ⇨ 16245T (16519C)

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(31): 73G 263G 497T 750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 4769G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13740C 14167T 14766T 14798C 16224C 16311C
    Mismatches(0): (16093T)
    Extras(1): 16245T (16519C)
    No-Calls(1): 15884A
    Untested(1): 15326

    Which am I most likely to be, and what does the imperfect match mean?

    Many thanks,

    Bee

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    You are K1a4a1a2.

    James Lick's calculator is squeezing more information out of your results than 23andMe does.

    If you search for K1a4a1a2 at https://www.23andme.com/you/labs/hap...ee_mut_mapper/ , you see that 23andMe does not see that level of detail.

    Imperfect match means your data has Mismatches, Extras, No-Calls, and/or Untested markers. For you, the mismatches listed are not important. The defining marker for K1a4a1a2 is 16245T (see http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_U.htm), and you have 16245T.

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    Incidentally, your mtDNA is an exact match to a skeleton dated 3339-3265 BC found in Germany.

    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/eur...ithicdna.shtml

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    Thank you, I doubt I'll ever know the exact connection, but I think I have definitely found the most ancient relative in my family tree now :-)

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    You can see some more recent "relatives" at https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

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    I'm in that list.
    dp :-)
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    Can someone clarify if I'm in the same boat?

    1) K1a4a1a2b

    Defining Markers for haplogroup K1a4a1a2b:
    HVR2: 73G 146C 263G 497T
    CR: 750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 4769G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13401C 13740C 14167T 14766T 14798C 15326G 15884A
    HVR1: (16093C) 16224C 16245T 16311C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup K1a4a1a2b (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 1811G ⇨ U2'3'4'7'8'9 ⇨ 9698C ⇨ U8 ⇨ 3480G ⇨ U8b'c ⇨ 9055A 14167T ⇨ U8b ⇨ 10550G 11299C 14798C 16224C 16311C ⇨ K ⇨ 1189C 10398G ⇨ K1 ⇨ 497T (16093C) ⇨ K1a ⇨ 11485C ⇨ K1a4 ⇨ 6260A ⇨ K1a4a ⇨ 11840T 13740C ⇨ K1a4a1 ⇨ 4295G 15884A ⇨ K1a4a1a ⇨ 16245T ⇨ K1a4a1a2 ⇨ 146C 13401C ⇨ K1a4a1a2b ⇨ 65D 71I 191D 249I 291D 299I 337I 459D 595D 613G 1646G 2074I 2156D 2395I 2405D 3172D 3377G 3734G 3947G 4317I 4410T 5533G 5537D 5752D 5815T 7471D 7527A 7672T 8276D 8281D 8286D 8364G 12184G 12208G 15198T

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(27): 73G 146C 263G 497T 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4295G 6260A 7028T 8860G 9698C 10398G 10550G 11299C 11467G 11485C 11719A 11840T 12308G 12372A 13401C 13740C 14167T 16245T
    Extras(35): 65D 71I 191D 249I 291D 299I 337I 459D 595D 613G 1646G 2074I 2156D 2395I 2405D 3172D 3377G 3734G 3947G 4317I 4410T 5533G 5537D 5752D 5815T 7471D 7527A 7672T 8276D 8281D 8286D 8364G 12184G 12208G 15198T
    No-Calls(1): 15884A
    Untested(8): 750 4769 9055 14766 14798 15326 16093 16224 16311
    Predominately English, Irish & German with Dutch, Swiss, French & Polish
    Y Haplogroup E-V13 ("Siegel" via Prussia), Mt Haplogroup H24a1 (via Unknown)

    GEDmatch Kits: A436029, M213836, Z169952 GEDCOM: 7950338

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    I have had 2 bna test one with my heritage and one with 23andme I have also had a download my DNA from my heritage to family tree. Family tree show a trace of west middle east 23and me shows trace of broadly assion a native american my heritage shows small percentage of African and Nigerian my heplogroup is K1a4a1 can you tell me which cluster my ancestor came from many thanks

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    According to Eupedia, K1a4a1 is found in western, central, northern and eastern Europe, as well as in Ethiopia (Hamar). But as discussed above, you might be something beyond K1a4a1 if you are getting it from 23andMe. For example, 23andMe gives me K2b, but I'm actually K2b2. Looking in the K project for K1a4a1 and its various children, there's not really a pattern beyond all over Europe.

    What do you know about your matrilineal line? -- mother's mother's mother and so on back.

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