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    DF81 (DF27>DF81)

    I think that DF81 is showing the STR diversity needed to qualify for ISOGG. I'm not sure what additional SNP testing is needed at this point. Here are the two folks in the DF27 project that are DF81+

    259851 Uriarte DF27+, DF79-, DF81+, DF83-, DF84-, L1231-, L1245-, L194-, L617-, L86.2-, L881-, Z196-, Z225-
    B3142 Zúńiga DF27+, DF79-, DF81+, DF83-, DF84-, Z196-, Z209-, Z220-, Z225-, Z229-

    Both surnames could be considered of Basque origin.

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    David R posted this today.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Reynolds
    Reviewing available information on DF81 and DF83, two results that are missing that will be required when adding them to the ISOGG tree are Z195 results for DF81+ and DF83+ samples. I think I have everything else covered at this point.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/hapl...1521339605598/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Mike, I posted on Facebook also. I took DF83 when they first offered for the sake of science and I tested negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    Mike, I posted on Facebook also. I took DF83 when they first offered for the sake of science and I tested negative.
    Billy, did you test for Z195? I don't know if you saw David Reynold's answer but we need him to clarify. I think Z195 is equivalent to Z196. If so we probably have Z196+ DF81- DF83- already available so the ISOGG requirements are met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Billy, did you test for Z195? I don't know if you saw David Reynold's answer but we need him to clarify. I think Z195 is equivalent to Z196. If so we probably have Z196+ DF81- DF83- already available so the ISOGG requirements are met.
    Mike, kit #'s 114718 and 170727 are both DF83+, Z196-. Kit # B3142 is DF81+, Z196-.

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    Great news for Robert T.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertT
    I am also DF81+ and the origin of my paternal lineage (Zambrano) is Basque. At this moment we have four positive results for DF81. The surnames are Uriarte, Zuniga, Tello, Zambrano. I believe that DF81 indicates a Basque cluster. I also believe that possible candidates for DF81 are persons with marker values of DYS458=16, DYS449=28, DYS487=14. We need more candidates to test the DF81 SNP.

    Regards,

    Robert ....
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    Tambi�n soy DF81 + y el origen de mi linaje paterno (Zambrano) es vasco. En este momento tenemos cuatro resultados positivos para DF81. Los apellidos son Uriarte, Z��iga, Tello, Zambrano. Creo que DF81 indica un grupo vasco. Tambi�n creo que los posibles candidatos para DF81 son personas con valores de los marcadores de DYS458 = 16 DYS449 = 28 DYS487 = 14. Necesitamos m�s candidatos para probar el DF81 SNP.

    Saludos,
    Robert ...
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    When I searched the Iberian and Continental European projects recently for DF27 suspects, I looked for a subset of this pattern.
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertT
    I also believe that possible candidates for DF81 are persons with marker values of DYS458=16, DYS449=28, DYS487=14
    In the interest of opening the spigot to the broadest point in searching for suspects, I used 487>=14 and 458<=16 as the unique criteria. 487 is very slow so that is great. 458 is fairly fast, but lower than modal (17) is a little less frequent.

    Currently, I think there are two very, very good suspect groups for DF81 testing. The first has
    (439<=11) 458<=16 (444>=13) 487>=14 565>=13

    I use parenthesis to indicate very common but not solidly off-modal. The high 565 value makes this a strong STR signature for this first group which I'm labeling:

    d81-48714-56513

    f269626 Alvarez
    f225826 Caton
    fN55018 de Fuica Ladrón de Cegama
    fN91624 de Zuluaga
    f227501 Rodríguez
    f230876 Sagasti
    f44266 Turizo
    f16848 Zambrano (confirmed DF81+)

    Another peer group, below, seems to have the P312 modal of 565=12 but has 389i=12

    d81-48714-38912

    f54898 Alderete
    fN52837 Arzac
    fE10262 Covanera
    f167663 Domingos
    f33082 Flores
    f229913 Fonseca
    fN40959 González
    fN44991 Lizarraga
    f39078 Pardo
    f260908 Fernández
    f283175 Gutierrez
    fE16716 zzzUnknown
    f259851 Uriarte (confirmed DF81+)
    fB3142 Zúńiga (confirmed DF81+)

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    Where is Rick A?

    This kit # has SNP results that keep him in the DF81 candidate list.

    f6521 Arnold DF27+ Z196-

    He also has 487=14 458=16, which would be part of my wide spigot off-modal criteria. His 449=29 is modal so that is one negative hit on the probabilities but since we don't know how old DF81 is .......

    The whole group below is in the similar predicament. They are all 487=14 458=16, but all 449=29 or above, where as the other two varieties are typically 449<=28. 449 is fairly fast moving, though, and DF81+ f259851 Uriarte is modal 449=29

    f6521 Arnold
    f159017 Becker
    f143921 Brooks
    fN39180 Dias
    f165566 Gonzáles
    f45256 Jácome
    f196772 Leal
    f106303 Nazario
    fN55759 Rasmussen
    f221477 Rodriguez
    f211311 Wade
    f124940 Wade
    fN26183 zzzUnknown

    I'm labeling them
    d81-48714-?

    We need exploration of this group.
    Last edited by Mikewww; 08-13-2013 at 03:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Where is Rick A?

    This kit # has SNP results that keep him in the DF81 candidate list.

    f6521 Arnold DF27+ Z196-

    He also has 487=14 458=16, which would be part of my wide spigot off-modal criteria. His 449=29 is modal so that is one negative hit on the probabilities but since we don't know how old DF81 is .......

    The whole group below is in the similar predicament. They are all 487=14 458=16, but all 449=29 or above, where as the other two varieties are typically 449<=28. 449 is fairly fast moving, though, and DF81+ f259851 Uriarte is modal 449=29

    f6521 Arnold
    f159017 Becker
    f143921 Brooks
    fN39180 Dias
    f165566 Gonzáles
    f45256 Jácome
    f196772 Leal
    f106303 Nazario
    fN55759 Rasmussen
    f221477 Rodriguez
    f211311 Wade
    f124940 Wade
    fN26183 zzzUnknown

    I'm labeling them
    d81-48714-?

    We need exploration of this group.
    Here I am, Mike. I am a very infrequent hobbyist these days, and have only just now seen your note. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm afraid I've completely lost the plot on DF27. You're recommending DF81 only, or is there more I can test to shed light on this group? Is DF81 an a la carte option at FTDNA? Cheers, Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Where is Rick A?

    This kit # has SNP results that keep him in the DF81 candidate list.

    f6521 Arnold DF27+ Z196-

    He also has 487=14 458=16, which would be part of my wide spigot off-modal criteria. His 449=29 is modal so that is one negative hit on the probabilities but since we don't know how old DF81 is .......

    The whole group below is in the similar predicament. They are all 487=14 458=16, but all 449=29 or above, where as the other two varieties are typically 449<=28. 449 is fairly fast moving, though, and DF81+ f259851 Uriarte is modal 449=29

    f6521 Arnold
    f159017 Becker
    f143921 Brooks
    fN39180 Dias
    f165566 Gonzáles
    f45256 Jácome
    f196772 Leal
    f106303 Nazario
    fN55759 Rasmussen
    f221477 Rodriguez
    f211311 Wade
    f124940 Wade
    fN26183 zzzUnknown

    I'm labeling them
    d81-48714-?

    We need exploration of this group.
    My df81 came back ancestral. It was worth the look based on the dys 487 and 458 matches, but no joy. Maybe there's something between df81 and df27. Someday...

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