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    Thinking of testing my father for this DF81. He just tested Neg for Z195-. Any recommendations? Next thought was L617

    Kit 222261 Guillermo Sotela Vargas. Surname Sotelo comes from Valladolid Spain 1550. P312+, DF27+, Z225-, Z195-, U152-, L176-, L2-, L21-, L226-, L4-, M126-, M153-, M65-

    DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
    Value 13 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29
    PANEL 2 (13-25)
    Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
    Value 16 9-10 8 11 24 15 19 25 14-15-17-17
    PANEL 3 (26-37)
    Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Value 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 18 36-39 12 12

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    I should move him down a group and take another look around for off-modals; in the DF27 project he's in the wrong group, at the moment. DF81 has tracked pretty Basque intensive so far, which I believe is not that strong in the Valladolid area (and IIRC you suspect other ancestry for his line).

    OK, he's in Aa now (but this is probably more than a 12-step program). Nothing really smacks me in the face (with 37 markers), except maybe that DYS449=25, a very low number for our haplogroup so far. But it's one of those markers too fast to get worked up about, or so we are led to believe. Sometimes people share off-modals at a marker well beyond #37, and if you don't test him higher you'll never know. It might be cheaper to go for a Big Y than to keep chipping away... I don't know. That's not necessarily helpful if no related person also tests. You haven't yet found the related person, and when you do there's no guarantee he'll be wealthy and research oriented. I kind of like comparing STR alleles, myself; but I think that may be the wave of the past (even though it clearly has worked, for many people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by favouriteslave View Post
    Thinking of testing my father for this DF81. He just tested Neg for Z195-. Any recommendations? Next thought was L617

    Kit 222261 Guillermo Sotela Vargas. Surname Sotelo comes from Valladolid Spain 1550. P312+, DF27+, Z225-, Z195-, U152-, L176-, L2-, L21-, L226-, L4-, M126-, M153-, M65-

    DYS393 DYS390 DYS19** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II***
    Value 13 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29
    PANEL 2 (13-25)
    Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
    Value 16 9-10 8 11 24 15 19 25 14-15-17-17
    PANEL 3 (26-37)
    Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Value 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 18 36-39 12 12
    L617 might be worth looking at, there is a L617+ person on my FTDNA Big Y matches with the surname Ortiz, apparently this surname could be Basque, comes from Asturias originally(which is Galicia and Basque areas).

    I wonder if L617 is a Basque related SNP, anyone think that's the case?
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    There are a couple of relatively recently identified deep subclades below DF27. Z2552 and Z2571.

    Z2552. DF81, Z15001 and L617 are parallel and thought to be below, or downstream of, Z2552.

    Z2571. DF84 is parallel with FGC11395 (aka 'Rox2') and both are downstream of Z2571.

    Subclades under Z2552 and Z2571 seem to have something of a north/south European split in their geographical distributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corner View Post
    Z2552. DF81, Z15001 and L617 are parallel and thought to be below, or downstream of, Z2552.
    Last night I noticed a new SNP in the Shared Novel Variants of five BigY testers (three of them in the DF27 project). After some quick email back and forth, Vladimir Tagankin identified it in a 1000 Genomes kit (HG01121, from Medellin, Colombia). He was already Z2552* on both the YFull tree and Alex Williamson's Big Tree. YFull has named it YP4295, and I created subgroup Gc in the DF27 project for the three members of the project who have already tested positive for it (via BigY). It seems to be widespread, old, and at the same level as DF81 and L617 (directly below Z2552).

    I should mention that the new SNP YP4295 is at 2795952, G to C. Z2552 itself is at 4217182, C to T (and is not called as a Novel Variant, so I believe one has to look at the .bed file or BAM file, to find it in one's BigY results).
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    Yes, after testing at YSEQ my father turned out to be below Z2552 at BY3232. Sorry, getting back on this ship a bit late, Like 5 years late

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