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    UPDATE:

    Mr. Sam Sloan [he requested he be named] is the provider of the Nuristani and Kho samples. Some of the Kho may in fact be Kalash (Bahadur and Javed).

    He is a bit busy as of late:

    I am right now Publishing a translation of Winnie the Pooh into Urdu ISBN 4-87187-393-5
    Winnie the Pooh in Hindi ISBN 4-87187-398-6
    Winnie the Pooh in Kalasha ISBN 978-4-87187-396-3
    Winnie the Pooh in Khowar ISBN 4-87187-395-1
    I expect in a few days to be publishing Winnie the Pooh in Afghan Farsi.

    So I am going to cut him some slack with all my pestering for the raw data, haplogroups, and detailed background information.
    However, crazy story -- his Kalash friend saw the chart I posted, e-mailed it to him, and then he e-mailed to me for my interest. Hahaha! Full-circle.

    The silver-lining. Cross your fingers!


    In March 2014 I went to the Kalash Valleys and took 15 DNA samples for Family Tree DNA from persons who were either Kalash or Nuristani.
    However, the next day three high level officials of the Pakistan CID came to the house where I was staying and forced me to hand over my DNA samples and then destroyed them.

    After that people were afraid to send me their DNA Samples even in the mail. However, I was able to get a few out anyway.

    I still have 10 more that I have not paid for yet. At $99 each that is an expense but your work encourages me to pay for the rest.





    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Nice work but do nuristani people exist in Pakistan? As far as I know they don't.

    He should translate Winnie the Pooh in Balochi too

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Nice work but do nuristani people exist in Pakistan? As far as I know they don't.

    He should translate Winnie the Pooh in Balochi too
    He met a man in Shaikandah, Bumboret who was from Nuristan -- that's the result I have posted. Evidently, some people of Shaikhandah are Nuristani. There are only 40-50 homes. It's tiny. I have a detailed post in another thread. I'll find it and link it.
    He is also well-traveled in Afghanistan. A few of the Afghan samples like the Helmand and Ghazizadeh are also supplied by him. Basically, since he literally wrote the book on the languages of the region and personally collected the samples, I'm not going to challenge him if he tells me so-and-so is Kho or Kalash or Nuristani etc. I trust at the very least he is discerning by language and oral history.
    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 06-16-2017 at 02:37 AM.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Nice work but do nuristani people exist in Pakistan? As far as I know they don't.

    He should translate Winnie the Pooh in Balochi too
    A good amount of them migrated into villages across the border in the 1980s and stayed, actually Nuristani villages are no that far from the Kalash areas. Bargimatal is like 5 km from the Kalasha Valleys in Pakistan. The Chitral region is far more secure and far better infrastructure, especially after the construction of the Lahari Pass. I won't be surprised if in the future the region will experience a new wave of migrants as the Nuristan is infested with IS extremists. Nuristanis surprisingly do not suffer the same kind of discrimination Afghan Pashtuns do, I think because the Chitral region is isolated .
    Last edited by pegasus; 06-16-2017 at 04:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    He met a man in Shaikandah, Bumboret who was from Nuristan -- that's the result I have posted. Evidently, some people of Shaikhandah are Nuristani. There are only 40-50 homes. It's tiny. I have a detailed post in another thread. I'll find it and link it.
    He is also well-traveled in Afghanistan. A few of the Afghan samples like the Helmand and Ghazizadeh are also supplied by him. Basically, since he literally wrote the book on the languages of the region and personally collected the samples, I'm not going to challenge him if he tells me so-and-so is Kho or Kalash or Nuristani etc. I trust at the very least he is discerning by language and oral history.
    That is right, most of the Nuristanis who do live in Chitral usually keep a low profile and assimilate.
    Last edited by pegasus; 06-16-2017 at 05:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Most seem to lack European ancestry, however I've seen a Bahraini Tribal Arab that gets 80-90% Saudi and 10-20% Greek Islander or Sicilian on many gedmatch calculators. Bahraini tribal Arabs came from eastern and central Arabia in the last few centuries. There is also a Persian man from coastal Iran that shares few large segments with a Corsican "Parsi" Person.
    Interesting... I think all my matches were Bandaris, I don't know of any from the Arabian side of the Gulf. I don't doubt European ancestry is probably very minor in the region. It's probably a case of my matches having a single Portuguese ancestor from maybe the 16th or 17th century. Portuguese soldiers and sailors in this period sometimes became "renegados" and converted to Islam (although some later converted back to Catholicism and returned to the Portuguese fold). This mainly happened in South Asia but sometimes elsewhere as well.

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    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 07-13-2017 at 09:45 AM.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Current Spreadsheet.

    Filling it in slowly.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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