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    Beware – LivingDNA Requires Customer to Indemnify Company to Download Raw Data

    I originally posted on the download thread, but thought it important to point out on it's own.

    Rather than the email, here is her site.

    https://dna-explained.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    I originally posted on the download thread, but thought it important to point out on it's own.

    Rather than the email, here is her site.

    https://dna-explained.com/
    Under what circumstances could claims be made against LivingDNA for downloading raw dna? Give me an example, this doesn't sound like an issue at all.
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    There has been a case where a DNA company has been sued due to the fact someone (NOT the DNA testing company) had shared information from a downloaded file. This happened when the individual (who sued the testing company) downloaded their results, shared it with a project manager (who was NOT an employee of the testing company) and the project manager posted results (including linking the kit number with an email address) on a public website. Rather than go after the project manager who actually posted the result, the individual chose to go after the testing company, with a claim the company was responsible for the actions of the project manager.

    This lawsuit was eventually dismissed without merit, but did cost the DNA testing company a lot of man-hours and other legal expenses to defend themselves from this lawsuit. The money (and time) spent was resources which had to be diverted from actually being able to provide services to the customers.

    While Living DNA may well have gone overboard on their language, I for one can understand how they want to protect themselves from a similar headache.
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    I suspect most of us have results from at least one other company we can upload to Gedmatch? In that case it shouldn't matter if we had data from LivingDNA, if they were not the results that we uploaded. It seems to me any issue would arise not in downloading results but rather in uploading/sharing them.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    I suspect most of us have results from at least one other company we can upload to Gedmatch? In that case it shouldn't matter if we had data from LivingDNA, if they were not the results that we uploaded. It seems to me any issue would arise not in downloading results but rather in uploading/sharing them.
    I agree with this but once the file has been uploaded is there a way to delete it? I know there's an option on Gedmatch but I don't see anything on Genesis.
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    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    Good question, I am not sure. You could always email the Gedmatch admins.
     

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    I1-M253 Ireland
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    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Thanks for posting this. I sent them an email requesting they delete my genesis upload as I wasn't able to find a way to do that. Until that is an option, I won't be re-uploading Living DNA data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Thanks for posting this. I sent them an email requesting they delete my genesis upload as I wasn't able to find a way to do that.

    Same. I would like to have more clarity on this, though I feel like the tone of the message is maybe a bit fear-mongering.

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    I've sent them an email as well.

    I never thought about potential third party claims when I downloaded the data - I'd much rather opt on the side of safety and have the upload deleted from Genesis now rather than take a chance on what may, or may not, transpire in the future (regardless as to how small that chance may actually be).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Same. I would like to have more clarity on this, though I feel like the tone of the message is maybe a bit fear-mongering.
    but just think what the worst case scenario would do to you.

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