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    GedMatch Genesis (with LivingDNA) v GedMatch (23andme) - Eurogenes K13

    Since the GedMatch Genesis now has available the admixture calculators, thought I would post my differences, between the standard Gedmatch. Using the K13 calculator,
    Thought it might be fun to analysis the difference in results.
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    Tried it out, got the following; love to play around with this:

    (Eurogenes K13, from genesis gedmatch)

    42.69% North_Atlantic
    23.63% Baltic
    14.96% West_Med
    6.69% West_Asian
    4.84% East_Med
    0.48% Red_Sea
    1.29% South_Asian
    4.28% East_Asian
    0.14% Siberian
    0.75% Oceanian
    0.27% Sub-Saharan


    Note that like you, the four main populations are the same.
    Further: Would the East_Med reflect part of my 1/16 Jewish?
    And: the Asian is present! Possibly also a trace from British India.

    Top 10 least square method:

    1 South_Dutch @ 5.630711
    2 West_German @ 5.777967
    3 North_German @ 8.651402
    4 Southeast_English @ 9.270586
    5 Austrian @ 10.027081
    6 Danish @ 10.175147
    7 North_Dutch @ 10.245115
    8 Orcadian @ 10.345297
    9 Southwest_English @ 10.684783
    10 French @ 10.695040
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Tried it out, got the following; love to play around with this:

    (K13, from genesis gedmatch)

    42.69% North_Atlantic
    23.63% Baltic
    14.96% West_Med
    6.69% West_Asian
    4.84% East_Med
    0.48% Red_Sea
    1.29% South_Asian
    4.28% East_Asian
    0.14% Siberian
    0.75% Oceanian
    0.27% Sub-Saharan


    Note that like you, the four main populations are the same.
    Further: Would the East_Med reflect part of my 1/16 Jewish?
    And: the Asian is present! Possibly also a trace from British India.

    Top 10 least square method:

    1 South_Dutch @ 5.630711
    2 West_German @ 5.777967
    3 North_German @ 8.651402
    4 Southeast_English @ 9.270586
    5 Austrian @ 10.027081
    6 Danish @ 10.175147
    7 North_Dutch @ 10.245115
    8 Orcadian @ 10.345297
    9 Southwest_English @ 10.684783
    10 French @ 10.695040
    I think the first part with the % and as you mentioned are quite ancient, which now fundamentally make up all West Eurasians.
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 52.73
    2 Baltic 23.57
    3 West_Med 11.9
    4 West_Asian 4.17
    5 East_Med 2.51
    6 Red_Sea 1.5
    7 Northeast_African 1.15
    8 Amerindian 1.08
    9 Siberian 0.59
    10 East_Asian 0.43
    11 Oceanian 0.35

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Scottish 2.28
    2 Orcadian 2.61
    3 Irish 2.78
    4 Southwest_English 3.79
    5 North_Dutch 4.01
    6 Southeast_English 4.12
    7 Danish 4.77
    8 Norwegian 5.45
    9 North_German 6.99
    10 Swedish 8.26
    11 South_Dutch 9.3
    12 West_German 10.53
    13 French 14.25
    14 North_Swedish 14.36
    15 Austrian 15.88
    16 East_German 16.14
    17 Hungarian 20.41
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.05
    19 Southwest_French 21.92
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.82
    2 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.82
    3 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.84
    4 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.84
    5 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Somali @ 1.85
    6 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.93
    7 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2
    8 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Maasai @ 2.01
    9 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Hadza @ 2.04
    10 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Sandawe @ 2.05
    11 99% West_Scottish + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.06
    12 99% West_Scottish + 1% Sudanese @ 2.08
    13 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.08
    14 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Egyptian @ 2.09
    15 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Moroccan @ 2.09
    16 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Algerian @ 2.09
    17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Tunisian @ 2.11
    18 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.11
    19 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Saudi @ 2.12
    20 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% La_Brana-1 @ 2.14

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
    2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
    3 Irish @ 3.090581
    4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
    5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
    6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
    7 Danish @ 5.333041
    8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
    9 North_German @ 7.964433
    10 Swedish @ 9.309278
    11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
    12 West_German @ 12.132713
    13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
    14 French @ 16.250372
    15 Austrian @ 18.245956
    16 East_German @ 18.490625
    17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
    18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
    19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
    3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
    4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
    5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
    6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
    7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
    8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
    9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
    10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
    11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
    12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
    13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
    14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
    15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
    16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
    17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
    18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
    19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
    20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283

    Living dna genesis

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 53.12
    2 Baltic 22.43
    3 West_Med 11.69
    4 West_Asian 4.32
    5 East_Med 3.09
    6 Red_Sea 1.88
    7 Siberian 1.22
    8 Northeast_African 1.09
    9 Amerindian 1.07
    10 East_Asian 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Scottish 2.73
    2 Orcadian 3.4
    3 Irish 3.55
    4 Southwest_English 4.03
    5 Southeast_English 4.47
    6 North_Dutch 4.95
    7 Danish 5.58
    8 Norwegian 6.47
    9 North_German 7.69
    10 South_Dutch 9.32
    11 Swedish 9.33
    12 West_German 10.62
    13 French 13.97
    14 North_Swedish 15.29
    15 Austrian 16.44
    16 East_German 16.86
    17 Spanish_Cataluna 20.7
    18 Hungarian 20.91
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.55
    20 Southwest_French 21.72

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.19
    2 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.2
    3 98.1% West_Scottish + 1.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 2.27
    4 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Somali @ 2.28
    5 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.29
    6 98% West_Scottish + 2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.32
    7 97.8% West_Scottish + 2.2% Egyptian @ 2.38
    8 98.1% West_Scottish + 1.9% Saudi @ 2.39
    9 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Algerian @ 2.41
    10 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 2.42
    11 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Moroccan @ 2.42
    12 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Tunisian @ 2.43
    13 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.44
    14 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Bedouin @ 2.48
    15 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Maasai @ 2.48
    16 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.49
    17 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Palestinian @ 2.49
    18 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.5
    19 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2.5
    20 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Sandawe @ 2.52

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_Scottish @ 2.954881
    2 Orcadian @ 3.707520
    3 Irish @ 3.914791
    4 Southwest_English @ 4.290550
    5 Southeast_English @ 4.897464
    6 North_Dutch @ 5.494271
    7 Danish @ 6.229250
    8 Norwegian @ 7.255401
    9 North_German @ 8.727995
    10 Swedish @ 10.503930
    11 South_Dutch @ 10.652063
    12 West_German @ 12.197241
    13 French @ 15.919866
    14 North_Swedish @ 17.256296
    15 Austrian @ 18.856636
    16 East_German @ 19.299389
    17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.431152
    18 Hungarian @ 24.065979
    19 Southwest_French @ 24.366621
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.386446

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.954881


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.954881


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.860737
    2 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.945879
    3 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.954881
    4 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.965736
    5 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.023807
    6 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.059902
    7 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.085364
    8 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.107395
    9 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.116980
    10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.131665
    11 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.142606
    12 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.151961
    13 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.178447
    14 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.189449
    15 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.217050
    16 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.217106
    17 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.224680
    18 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.247045
    19 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.247357
    20 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.276308
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    I can't get mine to work just get this error - (1111) ERROR: No data for kit HN3909002
    Ethnogene: 51.4% NW European, 21.6% W European, 10.1% Southeastern African, 9.5% Southeast Asian, 4.4% South Asian, 2% Scandinavian, 1% East African
    Papertrail @ 2xggrandparents: 37.5% London, 25% Dorset, 25% Mauritius, 6.25% Netherlands, 6.25% Hampshire

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    Cool results Norfolk, very similar actually to each other, your looking pretty much AS as expected.
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    Lol @Norfolk, you resemble South Dutch more than me.

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    Lol @Norfolk, you resemble South Dutch more than me.
    Absolutely, East Anglia has had a lot of admixture from your part of the World, for a very long time.

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    You have to re-login to Genesis and run it from the link on there. Your kit works as I tried it

    Quote Originally Posted by JFWinstone View Post
    I can't get mine to work just get this error - (1111) ERROR: No data for kit HN3909002
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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