Originally Posted by

**Rathna**
Now we know from the last results of Geno 2.0 (and see the Morley's spreadsheet) that CTS7822, i.e. Z2110, is an autonomous subclade of R-L23*, on the same plane of Z2103/Z2105, then not a subclade of it.

It's distribution is above all in Eastern Europe (considering Varipapa of Arberesh origin), but we have also a German now: Stoltz. But also Ware is CTS7822+, and he has been put in this subclade of the presumed R-L23/L150-, where not all are -: Ware is L150+. Then this should be a subclade of R-CTS7822+. Which form a cluster of these haplotypes is above all DYS434=10 (only one has 9), whereas all the other R-L23 have 9 and R-L584+ has 8. This is a very slow mutating marker.

We don't understand the formation of this subclade: if for a presumed L150- (actually only Romitti and Seymour have it), or for the CTS7822+. I made the hypothesis that for their surnames they could be of Gypsy origin. Of course a R-L23 introgressed in them and not original from India.

We know that 257843, 282121, N114224, N92413 are a subclade of R-CTS7822 for their CTS9219+.