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    Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots have common paternal roots! (new study)

    Y-chromosomal analysis of Greek Cypriots reveals a primarily common pre-Ottoman paternal ancestry with Turkish Cypriots.

    Alexandros Heraclides , Evy Bashiardes , Eva Fernández-Domínguez, Stefania Bertoncini, Marios Chimonas, Vasilis Christofi, Jonathan King, Bruce Budowle, Panayiotis Manoli, Marios A. Cariolou A. PlosOne (Published: June 16, 2017).

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474

    The paper also includes an overview of Y-haplogroup distribution among Greeks and Turks by region, after combining all relevant data from the literature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    Y-chromosomal analysis of Greek Cypriots reveals a primarily common pre-Ottoman paternal ancestry with Turkish Cypriots.

    Alexandros Heraclides , Evy Bashiardes , Eva Fernández-Domínguez, Stefania Bertoncini, Marios Chimonas, Vasilis Christofi, Jonathan King, Bruce Budowle, Panayiotis Manoli, Marios A. Cariolou A. PlosOne (Published: June 16, 2017).

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0179474

    The paper also includes an overview of Y-haplogroup distribution among Greeks and Turks by region, after combining all relevant data from the literature.
    Always good to see the cousins. Yet another study that has Greek Cypriots w/the highest rate of E-M34 of any large-sample population. Can anyone glean any downstream markers?

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    about e-m123 in the paper from what i understand
    that there is a diffrence between greek cypriotes{13% m123} and turkish cypriotes{6.3% m123 } in the frequency %
    the paper say e-m123 is probably south levantine in origin have to agree.......
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    that is The second paper who found e-m123 in greek cypriotes the previews paper found 10% e-m123 it is there for sure ....
    maybe it arrived in bronze age period or even before
    who knows maybe george michael or cat stevens were e-m123 lol
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    Indeed the frequency of E-M123 among Cypriots is surprisingly high.. Most of it belongs to subclade E-M84, although the specific SNP has not been tested in this paper. In my opinion it is very likely that E-M123 entered Cyprus from the Levant as early as the Neolithic.

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    I manually Nevgen Predicted all the Turkish Cypriot J2 from this study and there is 83:

    The Breakdown according to the Nevgen Predictor:

    1. J2a1-Z7700: 16 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
    2. J2a1-M319: 11
    3. J2a1-Z500: 11 (would be interesting to see how many are M92)
    4. J2a1-PF5191: 11
    5. J2a1-Z387: 7 (I think the breakdown would be interesting)
    6. J2a1-Z6065: 6
    7. J2a1-L210: 5
    8. J2b-M205: 5
    9. J2b-M241: 3 (All most likely under L283)
    10. J2a2-PF5008: 3
    11. J2a1-PF7431: 3
    12. J2a1-S25258:1
    13. J2a1-Z7671: 1

    I will do the same for the Greek Cypriots and see the differences.
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    I'm not so sure E-M123 entered Cyprus from the Levant during the Neolithic, that's certainly a possibility, however the authors state that:

    "The MJN analysis revealed that GCy haplotypes (coloured blue in Fig 2) appear in a more basal position than TCy haplotypes.(coloured red in Fig 2) in specific haplogroups, such as E-M78, while other haplogroups do not have any specific structure. Only two haplogroup networks (E-M123 and E-M78) reveal star-like agglutinations of some haplotypes or sub-clusters compatible with population expansion events (black ovals in Fig 2). Time expansions for these were estimated at 4018 years ago (+/- 507 DS) and 753 years ago (+/- 329 DS), respectively. Repeating the analysis using 12 STR loci, resulted in somewhat differently shaped networks, which however provided the same results, with only the aforementioned haplogroups showing evidence of star-like constructions (S3 Fig). Expansion times using an alternative formula (see Methods) and using 12-loci were very similar to those reported above. Overall, haplotype variation appeared to overlap between GCy and TCy, with no clear clustering of haplotypes based on ethnic background observed."

    That doesn't sound wholly consistent with an entry during the Neolithic, Neolithic data from Cyprus is needed to clear this up. What I can say however is that the authors are dead wrong as far as J1 is of concern:

    "The main feature distinguishing Cypriots from Lebanese and other Middle Easterners included in our analysis is their much lower frequency of haplogroup J1. This observation clearly suggests that although Cypriots and Lebanese share common paternal roots, the latter received a substantial influx from populations high in J1, probably during the early Arab conquest era (7th cent. AD). Similarly, North Africans also are particularly high in haplogroup E-M81, which is extremely rare (TCy) or absent (GCy) in Cyprus."

    While Arabian branches of J1 are found in Lebanon, most of the J1 in Lebanon does not seem to be Arabian in origin, much less related to the expansion of Islam. J1-P58 was already present in Lebanon during the Bronze Age (as demonstrated by its presence in one of the Middle Bronze Age Sidonians), so I very much doubt that the current J1 frequencies in Lebanon are to be attributed to an "influx from populations high in J1" during the 7th century CE.

    Either way, it's a shame they didn't take the time to uncover the subclades under each marker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    I manually Nevgen Predicted all the Turkish Cypriot J2 from this study and there is 83:

    The Breakdown according to the Nevgen Predictor:

    1. J2a1-Z7700: 16 (J-F3133 on Yfull)
    2. J2a1-M319: 11
    3. J2a1-Z500: 11 (would be interesting to see how many are M92)
    4. J2a1-PF5191: 11
    5. J2a1-Z387: 7 (I think the breakdown would be interesting)
    6. J2a1-Z6065: 6
    7. J2a1-L210: 5
    8. J2b-M205: 5
    9. J2b-M241: 3 (All most likely under L283)
    10. J2a2-PF5008: 3
    11. J2a1-PF7431: 3
    12. J2a1-S25258:1
    13. J2a1-Z7671: 1

    I will do the same for the Greek Cypriots and see the differences.
    Great Principe, please let us know! Given that the majority of Greek Cypriot samples have been SNP-tested, it would be good to see whether the Nevgen predictor is in agreement with the SNP testing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    Great Principe, please let us know! Given that the majority of Greek Cypriot samples have been SNP-tested, it would be good to see whether the Nevgen predictor is in agreement with the SNP testing..
    I just finished, I am going to post the results of the Greek Cypriot J2 and compare the two. The J2 samples are not well snp tested, for J2a they give you J-M410 or L26 and for J2b they have M205 or M102 predicted, anyways I nevgen predicted all of them to make sure, and 3 J2's in the Turkish Cypriot set were actually better predicted as T's thats why I got 83 instead of the 86 posted.

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    Now to compare Greek and Turkish Cypriot J2 there is quite a few notable differences and observations to be made. First the Turkish Cypriots have a J2a lineage that is unique to them which is J2a1-PF7431, it seems that this J2a was brought into Cyprus from the Turks. The remaining 12 are all the same but different frequencies of course. The largest J2a amongst the Turkish Cypriots is J2a-Z7700 (J-F3133) at 16 of 83 samples or 19.2% while in Greek Cypriots it is 10 out of 102 or 9.8%, J-F3133 has many branches and there is probably shared lineages and also specific Turkish Cypriot J-F3133 lineages for it to be double than the Greek Cypriots. The largest J2 lineage amongst Greek Cypriots is J2b-M205 at 16 of 102 (15.8%) and amongst Turkish Cypriots it is much lower at 5 of 83 (6%), this can be due to where the people were sampled as J2b-M205 is a definite Levantine line as we started seeing it in the ancient samples of Sidon, Roman Gladiator, Bronze Age Jordan and Egypt.

    There is sharp increases and decreases in certain lineages as well, in Turkish Cypriot J2a-S25258 was found in 1 out of 83, while in Greek Cypriot samples it was found in 7, same with J2a-Z7671 as it was found in 1 Turkish Cypriot, while being found in 3 Greek Cypriots. Also J2a2-PF5008 was found in 3 Turkish Cypriots and more than doubles being found in 7 Greek Cypriots. The largest increase though is found in J2a-Z387 as it was found in 7 Turkish Cypriots and it doubles to 14 amongst Greek Cypriots reaching 13.7% and is the second most common in Greek Cypriots. In retrospect J2a-PF5191 and J2a-Z6065 increase in Turkish Cypriots, J2a-PF5191 is found in 7 Greek Cypriots while it is found in 11 Turkish Cypriots. J2a-Z6065 is found in 6 Turkish Cypriots and decreases in half to 3 in Greek Cypriot samples, this may be due to different subclades of the two.

    The remaining 4 lineages have more or less the same frequency amongst both populations. J2a-L210 is found in 5 Turkish Cypriot samples and 6 Greek Cypriot samples staying at around 6%, the same can be said for J2b-M241 as it is found in 3 Turkish Cypriots and 4 Greek Cypriots staying at around the 3.5-4% range. J2a-Z500 also remains the same at 11 Turkish Cypriot samples and 12 Greek Cypriot samples staying around the 12% range and J2a-M319 does the same being found also in 11 Turkish Cypriot samples and 13 Greek Cypriot samples also around the 12% range.

    More extensive research or look needs to be done, because many of these subclades are old and have many downstreams for example just under J2a-Z7671 there is 4 major branches.

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