Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots have common paternal roots! (new study)

**Principe** · 06-19-2017, 09:31 PM

For the Breakdown of J1 based on Nevgen predictors.

For Turkish Cypriots, the number is 37

1. J1-P58: 26
2. J1-Z1828: 9
3. J1-PF7263: 1
4. J1-PF7257: 1

For the Greek Cypriots, the number is 31

1. J1-P58: 28
2. J1-Z1828: 2
3. J1-PF7263: 1

I leave the J1 experts to have their analysis, essentially over 80% of J1 in Cyprus is Levantine in origin it seems. Unfortunately J1-P58 is very old and does not really say much about the breakdown, for those familiar with J1-P58 lineages, I noticed 3 patterns, the 1st DYS385 is 13-19, 12-19, 13-20 for 1 specific lineage, the 2nd is that DYS458 is higher than 18 so 19,20,21 for the next lineage I know is J1-Z640 because even though I am J2 I get many J1-Z640 matches at Y12 level (obviously not real matches) for those who looked very similar to my results.

**Principe** · 06-19-2017, 10:34 PM

For the Breakdown of Haplogroups T and L, based on Nevgen Predictors.

Turkish Cypriots had more T and L than Greek Cypriots, in fact almost 3x more T.

Greek Cypriot T, number is 5

1. T-L208: 4
2. T-Y11151: 1

Turkish Cypriot T, the number is 14

1. T-L208: 12
2. T-L131: 2

For Greek Cypriot L, the number is 4

1. L-L595: 2
2. L-M317: 2

For Turkish Cypriot L, the number is 6

1. L-M317: 3
2. L-M27: 2
3. L-M357: 1

I think from these results L1b-M317 and T-L208 lineages have been in Cyprus pretty long.

**wandering_amorite** · 06-19-2017, 11:05 PM

Can anyone report on the breakdown of E (and particularly E-M123) clades?

**Principe** · 06-20-2017, 01:09 AM

The Breakdown of Haplogroup E for Greek and Turkish Cypriots, this is the last one I am doing for the day

For Turkish Cypriot E, the number is 86 and all are manually nevgen predicted

1. E-V13>Z5017: 26
2. E-M84: 18
3. E-V22: 12
4. E-V12>CTS693: 7
5. E-L791: 7
6. E-M81: 6
7. E-V12>V32: 4
8. E-V13>S7461: 3
9. E-V65: 1
10. E-M4225: 1 (E1b1a)
11. E-Y1623 : 1 (E1b1a)

For Greek Cypriot E, the number is 99

1. E-M84: 46
2. E-V13>Z5017>Z17264: 20
3. E-V22: 9
4. E-V13>S7461: 8
5. E-V13>Z5018>Y3183: 6
6. E-L791: 5
7. E-Z830: 3
8. E-M123 (xM34): 1
9. E-V12>CTS693: 1

E presents a very interesting story in Cyprus, it looks like E-M84, E-L791 and E-Z830 might represent the neolithic or Copper Age Cypriots and finding specific E-V13 subclades like Z5017 might actually help understand which E-V13 line represents the Ancient Greeks, I also find this E-V13>S7461 quite interesting its oldest splits on Yfull look to be in the alps. The Turkish Cypriots also carry many additional North African and African lines than the Greek Cypriot population, with E-V65, E-M81, E-V32 (E-V68), E-M4225 and E-Y1623.

**wandering_amorite** · 06-20-2017, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Principe

The Breakdown of Haplogroup E for Greek and Turkish Cypriots, this is the last one I am doing for the day

For Turkish Cypriot E, the number is 86 and all are manually nevgen predicted

1. E-V13>Z5017: 26
2. E-M84: 18
3. E-V22: 12
4. E-V12>CTS693: 7
5. E-L791: 7
6. E-M81: 6
7. E-V12>V32: 4
8. E-V13>S7461: 3
9. E-V65: 1
10. E-M4225: 1 (E1b1a)
11. E-Y1623 : 1 (E1b1a)

For Greek Cypriot E, the number is 99

1. E-M84: 46
2. E-V13>Z5017>Z17264: 20
3. E-V22: 9
4. E-V13>S7461: 8
5. E-V13>Z5018>Y3183: 6
6. E-L791: 5
7. E-Z830: 3
8. E-M123 (xM34): 1
9. E-V12>CTS693: 1

E presents a very interesting story in Cyprus, it looks like E-M84, E-L791 and E-Z830 might represent the neolithic or Copper Age Cypriots and finding specific E-V13 subclades like Z5017 might actually help understand which E-V13 line represents the Ancient Greeks, I also find this E-V13>S7461 quite interesting its oldest splits on Yfull look to be in the alps. The Turkish Cypriots also carry many additional North African and African lines than the Greek Cypriot population, with E-V65, E-M81, E-V32 (E-V68), E-M4225 and E-Y1623.

This is big! Once again, E-L791 rarer than E-M84. But now we can confirm it in non-trivial numbers in Cyprus.

**wandering_amorite** · 06-20-2017, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Principe

The Breakdown of Haplogroup E for Greek and Turkish Cypriots, this is the last one I am doing for the day

For Turkish Cypriot E, the number is 86 and all are manually nevgen predicted

1. E-V13>Z5017: 26
2. E-M84: 18
3. E-V22: 12
4. E-V12>CTS693: 7
5. E-L791: 7
6. E-M81: 6
7. E-V12>V32: 4
8. E-V13>S7461: 3
9. E-V65: 1
10. E-M4225: 1 (E1b1a)
11. E-Y1623 : 1 (E1b1a)

For Greek Cypriot E, the number is 99

1. E-M84: 46
2. E-V13>Z5017>Z17264: 20
3. E-V22: 9
4. E-V13>S7461: 8
5. E-V13>Z5018>Y3183: 6
6. E-L791: 5
7. E-Z830: 3
8. E-M123 (xM34): 1
9. E-V12>CTS693: 1

E presents a very interesting story in Cyprus, it looks like E-M84, E-L791 and E-Z830 might represent the neolithic or Copper Age Cypriots and finding specific E-V13 subclades like Z5017 might actually help understand which E-V13 line represents the Ancient Greeks, I also find this E-V13>S7461 quite interesting its oldest splits on Yfull look to be in the alps. The Turkish Cypriots also carry many additional North African and African lines than the Greek Cypriot population, with E-V65, E-M81, E-V32 (E-V68), E-M4225 and E-Y1623.

Also, any downstream markers for L791?

**Principe** · 06-20-2017, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by wandering_amorite

Also, any downstream markers for L791?

Yes, for the first sample set (Turkish Cypriots) 5 of the 7 were Y4972
the other two were E-Y6923 your clade, and 4 of the 5 in the second set (Greek Cypriots) Y4972 and the other being Y6923.

**wandering_amorite** · 06-20-2017, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Principe

Yes, for the first sample set (Turkish Cypriots) 5 of the 7 were Y4972
the other two were E-Y6923 your clade, and 4 of the 5 in the second set (Greek Cypriots) Y4972 and the other being Y6923.

Damn! Until now, there's only been one non-Ashkenazi person (Puerto Rican) confirmed as Y6923. Will be sharing this info with the Y6923 project leader at FTDNA.

**ADW_1981** · 06-20-2017, 05:12 AM

Has anyone run the R1b samples? Surprisingly none of the Cyprus R1b samples have the Balkan modal of DYS385ab 11,11.

**vettor** · 06-20-2017, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Principe

For the Breakdown of Haplogroups T and L, based on Nevgen Predictors.

Turkish Cypriots had more T and L than Greek Cypriots, in fact almost 3x more T.

Greek Cypriot T, number is 5

1. T-L208: 4
2. T-Y11151: 1

Turkish Cypriot T, the number is 14

1. T-L208: 12
2. T-L131: 2

For Greek Cypriot L, the number is 4

1. L-L595: 2
2. L-M317: 2

For Turkish Cypriot L, the number is 6

1. L-M317: 3
2. L-M27: 2
3. L-M357: 1

I think from these results L1b-M317 and T-L208 lineages have been in Cyprus pretty long.

Interesting

T-L208 = T1a1 group
T-L131 = T1a2 group
T-Y11151 = can be either one

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