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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    Very comprehensive analysis, but how can you explain then that the frequency of Eastern Eurasian haplogroups is much higher among Turkish Cypriots than among Greek Cypriots? In Greek Cypriots they practicality do not exist, as is the case for all other Eastern Mediterranean populations, apart from mainland Turks. Is this just coincidental??
    Of course not coincidental. They got those East Eurasian haplogroups from mainland Turks.

    I was just pointing out the fact that East Eurasian haplogroups were not dominant among the Turkish settlers of the 16th century, but the paper focuses solely on East Eurasian haplogroups as if the Turkish settlers of the 16th century weren't predominantly West Eurasian (both autosomal and y-dna wise). The mainland Turkish contribution (Y-dna) among Turkish Cypriots cannot be limited to East Eurasian lineages.

    The user Principe did a good job noticing the differences between J2a lineages of TCy and GCy for example

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    principe your work
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    I wonder if the Z387s are more L70 or FGC35503?
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    Maternal G-Grandfather - Briano, Caserta, Italy - Possible R1b - L51

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Has anyone run the R1b samples? Surprisingly none of the Cyprus R1b samples have the Balkan modal of DYS385ab 11,11.
    I will do so later today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward J View Post
    I wonder if the Z387s are more L70 or FGC35503?
    Once I am done with the remaining 4 haplogroups, I will go more into detail with J2 so I'll post later.

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    Thanks for your work on this!
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    @Principe

    Just to repeat once more that your work on additional subclade predictions is invaluable for clarifying Cypriot ancestry further and as a Cypriot myself, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this.

    Just a note regarding E1b1b major subclades, the prediction of these can be quite tricky in my opinion, even with the excellent Nevgen predictor. For the Greek Cypriot sample the majority of E1b1b subclades has been SNP-tested, so we can investigate the validity of the predictor and apply then accordingly on the Turkish Cypriot sample.

    Regarding R1b, if indeed the Cypriot haplotypes do not resemble common Greek/Balkanic haplotypes, then I would assume that the source of R1b in Cyprus was primarily via Anatolia or even Levant, most likely during the Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amathusian View Post
    @Principe

    Just to repeat once more that your work on additional subclade predictions is invaluable for clarifying Cypriot ancestry further and as a Cypriot myself, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this.

    Just a note regarding E1b1b major subclades, the prediction of these can be quite tricky in my opinion, even with the excellent Nevgen predictor. For the Greek Cypriot sample the majority of E1b1b subclades has been SNP-tested, so we can investigate the validity of the predictor and apply then accordingly on the Turkish Cypriot sample.

    Regarding R1b, if indeed the Cypriot haplotypes do not resemble common Greek/Balkanic haplotypes, then I would assume that the source of R1b in Cyprus was primarily via Anatolia or even Levant, most likely during the Bronze Age.
    It is my absolute pleasure.

    Yes I did check there was couple of them that were off, I found additional E-M84 and E-V22, but small I think 3 from both, that were off. I am currently working on the R1 subclades now and I am going to see, as for the only thing I say with 99% certainty is that E-V13 was brought by the mainland Greeks, and it represents roughly 10% of both Turkish and Greek Cypriot male lineages.

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    Unfortunately for both R1a and R1b the predictor gives this result "R1a (for 67+markers, try level for R1a-s, 70+ subclades" it says the same for R1b, though I looking at ftdna and comparing the Turkish Cypriot R1a, it looks all to be under the R1a-Z280>CTS1211 with one visible R1a-Z93, Greek Cypriot R1a looks to be the same as the Turkish Cypriot R1a with all belonging under the R1a-Z280>CTS1211, unfortunately this is not the best resolution.

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    I like for R1a, I looked at the Modal's for the R1b clades, one thing that is important is that R1b is much more common in Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots, in Turkish Cypriots there is 26 R1b and in Greek Cypriots there is 41.

    Anyways based on looking at the modal's it looks split between R1b-V88 and R1b-Z2103.

    In Turkish Cypriots

    1. R1b-Z2103: 19
    2. R1b-V88: 7

    In Greek Cypriots

    1. R1b-Z2103: 31
    2. R1b-V88: 10

    It looks like R1b-Z2103 is as large as E-V13 in Greek Cypriots and is an exact match in Turkish Cypriots with E-V13 and R1b-Z2103 levels.

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