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Thread: L2 derived but Z49, Z142 and FGC22963 not sure

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    L2 derived but Z49, Z142 and FGC22963 not sure

    I tested with 23andme and got positive for L2, uploaded the raw data to Wegene, Gedmatch and Chris Morley's Haplo Predictor and all 3 said I was L2 also, so I put my raw data thru Whit Athey's y-haplo tool and it gave me STR's and then I manually put them in Nevgens haplo group predictor and all of their R1b tools said I was 95-100% probability as R1b/U152/L2/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 so I was wondering if this is a good indication that I am R1b/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 or are any of the Y Haplogroup tools not reliable or accurate? Also is their any other tools that are good and reliable?

    thanks
    Adam R. St. Pierre

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Pierre View Post
    I tested with 23andme and got positive for L2, uploaded the raw data to Wegene, Gedmatch and Chris Morley's Haplo Predictor and all 3 said I was L2 also, so I put my raw data thru Whit Athey's y-haplo tool and it gave me STR's and then I manually put them in Nevgens haplo group predictor and all of their R1b tools said I was 95-100% probability as R1b/U152/L2/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 so I was wondering if this is a good indication that I am R1b/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 or are any of the Y Haplogroup tools not reliable or accurate? Also is their any other tools that are good and reliable?

    thanks
    Adam R. St. Pierre
    Hello Adam. I am not sure I understand. That I know of, 23andMe does not test for STRs?... unless they have started testing them recently????
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Hello,
    I am in Haplogroup FGC22963, so I am hoping that the Haplo Predictor is correct and that you are in our haplogroup.
    I would suggest that you go to the U152 group STR tables. The weblink is given below, and then go to the bottom of that first page to click on page 3. In the middle of page 3 is where the STR results are given for members of FGC22963. See if any of them are a close match. You might also post your STR results here and I would be happy to look for close matches.
    ---------------Ken

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    P.S. I see that Richard Rocca also just posted. If you don't have STR's, your SNP's would also be helpful in confirming your haplogroup. My notes show Haplogroup FGC22963 as having the following two SNP mutations: 19066987 C-T and 22146356-C-T

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Pierre View Post
    I tested with 23andme and got positive for L2, uploaded the raw data to Wegene, Gedmatch and Chris Morley's Haplo Predictor and all 3 said I was L2 also, so I put my raw data thru Whit Athey's y-haplo tool and it gave me STR's and then I manually put them in Nevgens haplo group predictor and all of their R1b tools said I was 95-100% probability as R1b/U152/L2/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 so I was wondering if this is a good indication that I am R1b/Z49/Z142/FGC22963 or are any of the Y Haplogroup tools not reliable or accurate? Also is their any other tools that are good and reliable?

    thanks
    Adam R. St. Pierre
    Last edited by kinman; 06-19-2017 at 02:18 PM.

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    Hi kinman and R.Rocca my STR's according to what Whit Athey's tool says from my SNP's and also I added my SNP's from my 23andme raw data. thanks

    SNP's from 23andMe
    M288+, M176-, Page63-, PAGES00063-, SRY465-, PAGE063-, Page65.1+, PAGES00065.1+, SRY10831.1+, SRY1532.1+, SRY10831+, PF6234+, M167-, SRY2627-, M177-, SRY9138-, S27649-, P211-, M40-, PF1445-, SRY4064-, SRY8299-, Page52.3-, PAGE052-, L1035-, PF3228-, M130-, Page51-, PAGES00051-, RPS4Y-, RPS4Y711-, M387-, M4-, M406-, PF3285-, M407-, M410-, PF4941-, CTS147-, M4712-, F11-, M324-, 21354-, IMS-JST021354-, P201-, 21355-, IMS-JST021355-, S349+, L49.1+, L49.2+, PF6276+, S1999+, Page94-, PAGES00094-, PF3137-, U17-, PAGE094-, M329-, S26597+, M347-, M339-, P279-, PF5065-, M346-, L196-, M343+, PF6242+, M356-, M357-, M369-, L1251-, M370-, M365-, M365.2-, M349-, M3639+, PF2591+, PF5995-, 47z-, L1230-, PF1461-, P212-, PF3580-, P204-, L246-, M7-, S27636-, MEH2-, S27524-, L2+, S139+, P162-, PF1496-, M4720-, L208-, Page2-, PAGES00002-, P266+, P80+, P113-, P299-, P79-, P78-, F820-, Page4-, PAGES00004-, PAGE004-, P6-, PF2210-, V36-, V12-, Z1216-, PF2211-, V13-, S27275-, Page77-, PF1364-, V10-, V27-, 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PF4613-, P232+, P136+, PF2762+, CTS11599-, PF1893-, CTS11732-, KHS1381212-, M342-, L614-, PF1898-, YSC0000032-, CTS11759-, M4931-, Z1137-, PK5-, S27373-, CTS11948-, PF6522-, M1272+, PF5977+, CTS12028+, P171-, PF1903-, Apt-, 50f2(P)-, M8659-, MEH1-, P4-, S27465-, L48-, S162-, P188-, PF3141-, U5-, PR7419-, P268-, PF5982+, PF1917-, P157+, PF2771+, M458-, PF6241-, M4948-, 22457+, IMS-JST022457+, P220-, S119-, S5783-, 22454-, IMS-JST022454-, S27470+, CTS12367-, M3771+, PF2775+, CTS12632+, L389+, PF6531+, CTS12947-, PF6273-, CTS12968-, M4957-

    STR's according to Whit Athey's haplogroup predictor

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    Hi Adam,
    The SNP results make sense. However, I have never seen those kind of STR values for anyone in L2 (or U152 as a whole). I don't think I would trust Whit Athey based on those STR numbers. So to verify that you are FGC22963 you might need to check the raw data for either of these two SNP mutations: 19066987 C-T and 22146356-C-T. But I don't know whether or not 23andme tests for either of those two sites. Anyway, I will be interested to hear what Richard Rocca says about this.
    Last edited by kinman; 06-20-2017 at 01:43 AM.

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    One can only get a modal STRs from just SNPs, but it is with 100% certainty that the correlation between the two will be wrong. Please do the L2 Pack test from FamilyTreeDNA if you want to know your subclade. Anything else is just guessing.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Hi Richard,
    Thanks for that explanation. Since they listed positive results for Adam only down to L2, does that mean that 23andMe does not test for mutations at positions 19066987 and 22146356. Or could it perhaps mean that they test for mutations at those positions, but the results were inconclusive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    One can only get a modal STRs from just SNPs, but it is with 100% certainty that the correlation between the two will be wrong. Please do the L2 Pack test from FamilyTreeDNA if you want to know your subclade. Anything else is just guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinman View Post
    Hi Richard,
    Thanks for that explanation. Since they listed positive results for Adam only down to L2, does that mean that 23andMe does not test for mutations at positions 19066987 and 22146356. Or could it perhaps mean that they test for mutations at those positions, but the results were inconclusive?
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    That I know of, 23andMe only tests one SNP downstream from L2 and that is L20, which itself is one level below Z367. So, below L2, the 23andMe results are of no value unless you are L20+.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Richard where on FTDNA would I find that L2 test, I looked but could find the basic YDNA, MTDNA and Autosomal tests? In the past 6 months I've just gotten into genetic genealogy and have done ancestry and 23andme, want to do more advanced tests but cost is always a concern that slows things down for me. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Pierre View Post
    Richard where on FTDNA would I find that L2 test, I looked but could find the basic YDNA, MTDNA and Autosomal tests? In the past 6 months I've just gotten into genetic genealogy and have done ancestry and 23andme, want to do more advanced tests but cost is always a concern that slows things down for me. thanks
    Have you done any testing with FamilyTreeDNA?
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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