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    List of public G2a-P303 samples negative for subgroups

    If any one knows more, please add.
    1) N101345,N96726,N71043 :- Tamil Iyer/Iyengar from south India(public FTDNA)
    2)HG02687 :- Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan(public 1000genomes from YFull)
    3) 120462 :- Iran(public FTDNA)
    4) N80288 :- Iberian?

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    Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.
    Unfortunately no. Very few samples and no one(read genetic genealogy companies) interested in Haplogroup G. Until the R craze is resolved, there is no hope for progress in G.

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    Any luck with any Geno 2.0 samples, soulblighter? This is the policy the R2 crowd has taken now. All of the enthusiasts who can, have ordered the kits and our admin (UnderGrounder) is analysing the data for SNP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Any luck with any Geno 2.0 samples, soulblighter? This is the policy the R2 crowd has taken now. All of the enthusiasts who can, have ordered the kits and our admin (UnderGrounder) is analysing the data for SNP's.
    No luck with Geno 2.0 unfortunately.
    The number of subcontinental G samples are far and few and are widely distributed among many subgroups.
    I don't expect any major breakthroughs in G until full sequencing becomes commonplace. There are few samples and currently no momentum/interest (unlike haplos R).
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    You may have luck finding some SNPs if you can raise enough money to test the two widest (geographically or STR-wise) GP303* men through Full Genomes, and compare. G is very old and there are probably significant parahaplogroups i.e. the SNP just hasn't been found yet.
     

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    I don't know if all samples listed in the new Afghan paper http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0076748 are negative for P303 subgroups, and there is always a possibility of sample bias.
    But here is the tally of G-P303 samples from the paper:

    Pakistan
    Brahui 1
    Kalash 4

    Iran
    Esfahan 1
    Gilan 2
    Tehran 1

    Hazara
    Bamiyan 3

    Pashtun 0

    Tajik
    Badakshan 1
    Takhar 2

    Turkmen
    Jawzjan 3

    Uzbek
    Jawzjan 2
    Sar-e-pol 1

    Kyrgyz
    East 1

    Mongol 0

    Uyghur 0


    I am suprised that the Pashtun entry is 0... Also the Hazara with 3 shows that the G-P303 samples in there are assimilated into the Hazara (Hazara are typically associated with Uyghurs who have 0 G-P303).

    Here is a map with all samples og G-P303 from Asia so far: https://www.zeemaps.com/edit/4KifEFLucLkCrWP7GsEGvw

    Based on STR, the following have very similar 25 STR values (FTDNA order):

     

    15 22 15 10 11-13 11 12 11 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 31 11-12-13-14 Karabagh, Armenia
    15 22 15 10 12-14 11 12 12 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 31 11-13-13-14 Yazd, Iran
    15 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-13-14-14 Thiruvarur, India
    15 23 16 10 12-14 11 12 10 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 33 11-13-13-13 Kuwait
    16 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-12-14-14 Kanchipuram, India
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 nd 11 23 16 20 nd xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzjan
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 31 14-14-14-14 Esfahan Iran
    15 23 14 10 xx-xx 11 12 12 12 11 27 16 nd 11 nd 23 16 21 31 11-13-14-14 Gilan, Iran
    15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 12 12 11 28 15 9-9 11 11 24 18 21 32 11-13-13-14 Gilan, Iran


    The south Indian samples seem closest to the Iranian ones at first glance.

    The Kalash, Kyrgyz and other samples have a different structure as shown below:

     


    13 22 14 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 28 16 nd nd nd nd 16 21 28 xx-xx-xx-xx Brahui
    14 23 17 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 16 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
    14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
    14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
    14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 28 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
    14 23 16 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 30 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 29 13-13-14-15 Kyrgyz
    14 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 30 xx-xx-xx-xx Tajik-Badakshan
    14 22 15 9 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 27 17 9-9 11 11 nd 16 21 33 xx-xx-xx-xx Tajik-Takhar
    14 21 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 14 13 11 29 15 9-9 11 11 25 16 21 33 11-13-13-14 Tehran, Iran
    14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 11 29 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 29 xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzjan
    14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 11 32 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 29 xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzan
    14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 12 29 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, jawzjan
    13 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 14 12 13 11 29 19 9-9 11 11 23 16 22 29 xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, jawzjan
    14 22 14 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 18 9-9 nd 11 22 16 20 nd xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, sar e pol




    Last edited by soulblighter; 10-28-2013 at 05:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.
    Sounds like it may around there or a little more to the west of there, based on the newest samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palamede View Post
    As you said for your Y-hg G2a2b2a-P303 which is probably explained by the Indo-Scythian (Sakas) origin of a part of your Brahmin cast the Iyers, same explanation could be done for your mt-hg C4a1.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyer

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    Palamede, did you see my post #7 on this thread?
    The closest G sample to the Iyers/Iyengars appear to be the Iranians (Yazd, Gilan) and Hazaras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulblighter View Post
    Palamede, did you see my post #7 on this thread?
    The closest G sample to the Iyers/Iyengars appear to be the Iranians (Yazd, Gilan) and Hazaras.
    G2a2b2a-P303 is certainly originated from Caucase (Colchis glacial refugia), some elements diffused around Caspian Sea and I think they were a part of the population of the BMAC (Bactriane-Margiane Area Culture) .Tadjiks, Hazaras and Kalashes are partially descendants of the BMAC culture and G-P303+ Turkmens and Uzbeks are also located in the area (for instance at Jawzjan) of this old culture :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMAC

    Some elements G-P303 of this area were carried into India by the vagues of invaders who crossed HindouKouch through the centuries.

    If G-P303 suffered in the hard times of the History, always,they emerged head up fiercely. Do you agree
    Last edited by palamede; 12-23-2013 at 03:57 PM.

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