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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    I haven't tested those but would like to. My last visit to Stonehenge was post Beaker paper and I saw things very differently knowing that there's not much of those people left in our DNA.
    Stonehenge phase IV was probably built by the newcomers:

    Stonehenge 3 IV (2280 BC to 1930 BC)
    This phase saw further rearrangement of the bluestones. They were arranged in a circle between the two rings of sarsens and in an oval at the centre of the inner ring. Some archaeologists argue that some of these bluestones were from a second group brought from Wales. All the stones formed well-spaced uprights without any of the linking lintels inferred in Stonehenge 3 III. The Altar Stone may have been moved within the oval at this time and re-erected vertically. Although this would seem the most impressive phase of work, Stonehenge 3 IV was rather shabbily built compared to its immediate predecessors, as the newly re-installed bluestones were not well-founded and began to fall over. However, only minor changes were made after this phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    Stonehenge phase IV was probably built by the newcomers:

    Stonehenge 3 IV (2280 BC to 1930 BC)
    This phase saw further rearrangement of the bluestones. They were arranged in a circle between the two rings of sarsens and in an oval at the centre of the inner ring. Some archaeologists argue that some of these bluestones were from a second group brought from Wales. All the stones formed well-spaced uprights without any of the linking lintels inferred in Stonehenge 3 III. The Altar Stone may have been moved within the oval at this time and re-erected vertically. Although this would seem the most impressive phase of work, Stonehenge 3 IV was rather shabbily built compared to its immediate predecessors, as the newly re-installed bluestones were not well-founded and began to fall over. However, only minor changes were made after this phase.
    There's also evidence of Mesolithic posts at the site as far as I remember. But you're right that there was interaction with the newcomers. That's particularly interesting in light of the more than 90 percent replacement within a few hundred years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    I haven't tested those but would like to. My last visit to Stonehenge was post Beaker paper and I saw things very differently knowing that there's not much of those people left in our DNA.
    Speak for yourself.
    I score over 40% HG.
    I'll just have to own up to friends as being largely primitive, I guess.

    Will be heading close to Stonehenge in the near future.
    If you see someone near there holding a sign "Beakers out!" that could be me, carried away with myself.

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    I'm in the same position as you of course; HG and Bronze Age swamp my Neolithic. Just was really interested in those people as a kid and liked to think of them as my ancestors. As for Stonehenge, when I was a kid you could walk right up to the stones every day; then for years they only allowed you a distant view. On my last visit they'd moved the path so you can get close. Here's a pic I took last October. I hope it whets your appetite because you're in for a treat.

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    Last edited by JonikW; 08-16-2018 at 01:31 PM.
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    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    As Geoff Carter suggests in his excellent blog
    It is with some reluctance that I turn to Stonehenge. It is a unique and exceptional monument, and it carries a considerable weight of romantic and scholastic preconceptions. It has strong visual culture reflecting its current state, and to suggest it was once a wooden building seems counter intuitive.
    http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...eology-of.html

    But he ploughs on bravely
    The scale of these structures clearly implies they were built at the limit of what was considered prudent by builders in Prehistory. This is a craft that was several thousand years old, and by this period we have evidence of a new elite who would normally be expected to express wealth and power in the built environment.

    My presumption is that Stonehenge was a temple built to house the Bluestones. The unprecedented use of a stone load-bearing wall, and pillars in the centre, is a technological approach reminiscent of Mediterranean Europe, suggesting imported craftsmen. But this is only the very pointy end of a much larger wedge.
    http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...henge-was.html
    and
    http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...ehenge-as.html

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    Has anyone of Cornish or Breton heritage got updated Ancestry, Living DNA or completely new results they could share? Anything interesting to tell?
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
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    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Has anyone of Cornish or Breton heritage got updated Ancestry, Living DNA or completely new results they could share? Anything interesting to tell?
    i ordered 28 march 2019 and got "quality review" (Living DNA :76.9 Isles and 15.7 France and neighbouring though full breton on paper trail)
    no update at the moment
    i sent a message yesterday
    no answer yet
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    With LDNA I am pretty sure they have assigned some of my Cornish to Iberia.

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    Not necessarily on topic with the previous posts, however through FTDNA I was contacted by a cousin who turns out to share ancestors with me from Cornwall, they still live in the UK and our families parted ways when my branch migrated to Canada. A match like this is a step in the right direction for my paternal grandmother's mother's family, it's not been super straight-forward to trace them.

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