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    QUOTE=firemonkey;250361]My father's result- Jtest

    Hi
    I'm breton (NW Brittany )

    same test (Jtest)
    # Population Percent
    1 ATLANTIC 30.87
    2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.69
    3 WEST_MED 12.15
    4 EAST_EURO 10.07
    5 SOUTH_BALTIC 8.93
    6 WEST_ASIAN 5.50
    7 ASHKENAZI 4.77
    8 EAST_MED 3.01


    Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
    14 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    ORACLE4
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Cornish @ 5.211161
    2 IE @ 6.268583
    3 Scottish @ 6.814747
    4 Orcadian @ 6.860622
    5 English @ 7.900768
    6 NL @ 8.880779
    7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.744564
    8 FR @ 10.721975
    9 DK @ 11.292246
    10 NO @ 13.623881
    11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.838320
    12 AT @ 16.195004
    13 ES @ 17.776211
    14 North_Swedish @ 18.287462
    15 PT @ 18.412764
    16 French_Basque @ 21.431704
    17 HU @ 22.176613
    18 North_Italian @ 23.160421
    19 Serbian @ 23.963236
    20 RO @ 26.453062

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR +50% Scottish @ 4.660706


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% IE +25% PT +25% Scottish @ 4.197095


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 ES + IE + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.740904
    2 ES + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.791321
    3 ES + IE + IE + Scottish @ 3.804118
    4 ES + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.946230
    5 ES + IE + IE + IE @ 4.001101
    6 ES + IE + Orcadian + Scottish @ 4.002844
    7 French_Basque + IE + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 4.081863
    8 French_Basque + IE + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.090067
    9 IE + PT + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.090827
    10 PT + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.092997
    11 French_Basque + IE + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 4.097557
    12 French_Basque + Orcadian + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.117821
    13 Cornish + ES + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.147396
    14 ES + IE + IE + Orcadian @ 4.159946
    15 French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 4.161339
    16 English + French_Basque + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.177003
    17 IE + IE + PT + Scottish @ 4.197095
    18 French_Basque + Scottish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.202916
    19 English + French_Basque + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 4.213748
    20 Cornish + ES + IE + Scottish @ 4.218012

    ORACLE
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cornish 4.62
    2 IE 5.58
    3 Scottish 6.1
    4 Orcadian 6.12
    5 English 6.95
    6 NL 7.84
    7 West_&_Central_German 8.59
    8 FR 9.43
    9 DK 9.92
    10 NO 12.02
    11 South_&_Central_Swedish 13.14
    12 AT 14.2
    13 ES 15.69
    14 PT 16.2
    15 North_Swedish 16.26
    16 French_Basque 19.09
    17 HU 19.51
    18 North_Italian 20.02
    19 Serbian 20.7
    20 RO 22.87

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.1% Scottish + 24.9% ES @ 3.38
    2 78% IE + 22% ES @ 3.54
    3 90.7% Scottish + 9.3% Sardinian @ 3.57
    4 83% Scottish + 17% Tuscan @ 3.64
    5 76.4% Scottish + 23.6% PT @ 3.65
    6 64% Scottish + 36% FR @ 3.65
    7 79.5% Orcadian + 20.5% French_Basque @ 3.77
    8 82.1% IE + 17.9% French_Basque @ 3.81
    9 80.5% Scottish + 19.5% North_Italian @ 3.81
    10 79.6% IE + 20.4% PT @ 3.84
    11 88% Cornish + 12% French_Basque @ 3.85
    12 68.3% IE + 31.7% FR @ 3.9
    13 85.8% IE + 14.2% Tuscan @ 3.93
    14 83.6% IE + 16.4% North_Italian @ 4.03
    15 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% ES @ 4.09
    16 96.4% Cornish + 3.6% GE @ 4.15
    17 88.2% Scottish + 11.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.18
    18 91.4% IE + 8.6% AJ @ 4.23
    19 96.5% Cornish + 3.5% Armenian @ 4.25
    20 93% IE + 7% Sardinian @ 4.27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    QUOTE=firemonkey;250361]My father's result- Jtest

    Hi
    I'm breton (NW Brittany )

    same test (Jtest)
    # Population Percent
    1 ATLANTIC 30.87
    2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.69
    3 WEST_MED 12.15
    4 EAST_EURO 10.07
    5 SOUTH_BALTIC 8.93
    6 WEST_ASIAN 5.50
    7 ASHKENAZI 4.77
    8 EAST_MED 3.01


    Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
    14 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    ORACLE4
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Cornish @ 5.211161
    2 IE @ 6.268583
    3 Scottish @ 6.814747
    4 Orcadian @ 6.860622
    5 English @ 7.900768
    6 NL @ 8.880779
    7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.744564
    8 FR @ 10.721975
    9 DK @ 11.292246
    10 NO @ 13.623881
    11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.838320
    12 AT @ 16.195004
    13 ES @ 17.776211
    14 North_Swedish @ 18.287462
    15 PT @ 18.412764
    16 French_Basque @ 21.431704
    17 HU @ 22.176613
    18 North_Italian @ 23.160421
    19 Serbian @ 23.963236
    20 RO @ 26.453062

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR +50% Scottish @ 4.660706


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% IE +25% PT +25% Scottish @ 4.197095


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 ES + IE + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.740904
    2 ES + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.791321
    3 ES + IE + IE + Scottish @ 3.804118
    4 ES + Orcadian + Scottish + Scottish @ 3.946230
    5 ES + IE + IE + IE @ 4.001101
    6 ES + IE + Orcadian + Scottish @ 4.002844
    7 French_Basque + IE + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 4.081863
    8 French_Basque + IE + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.090067
    9 IE + PT + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.090827
    10 PT + Scottish + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.092997
    11 French_Basque + IE + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 4.097557
    12 French_Basque + Orcadian + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.117821
    13 Cornish + ES + Scottish + Scottish @ 4.147396
    14 ES + IE + IE + Orcadian @ 4.159946
    15 French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 4.161339
    16 English + French_Basque + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.177003
    17 IE + IE + PT + Scottish @ 4.197095
    18 French_Basque + Scottish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 4.202916
    19 English + French_Basque + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 4.213748
    20 Cornish + ES + IE + Scottish @ 4.218012

    ORACLE
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cornish 4.62
    2 IE 5.58
    3 Scottish 6.1
    4 Orcadian 6.12
    5 English 6.95
    6 NL 7.84
    7 West_&_Central_German 8.59
    8 FR 9.43
    9 DK 9.92
    10 NO 12.02
    11 South_&_Central_Swedish 13.14
    12 AT 14.2
    13 ES 15.69
    14 PT 16.2
    15 North_Swedish 16.26
    16 French_Basque 19.09
    17 HU 19.51
    18 North_Italian 20.02
    19 Serbian 20.7
    20 RO 22.87

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.1% Scottish + 24.9% ES @ 3.38
    2 78% IE + 22% ES @ 3.54
    3 90.7% Scottish + 9.3% Sardinian @ 3.57
    4 83% Scottish + 17% Tuscan @ 3.64
    5 76.4% Scottish + 23.6% PT @ 3.65
    6 64% Scottish + 36% FR @ 3.65
    7 79.5% Orcadian + 20.5% French_Basque @ 3.77
    8 82.1% IE + 17.9% French_Basque @ 3.81
    9 80.5% Scottish + 19.5% North_Italian @ 3.81
    10 79.6% IE + 20.4% PT @ 3.84
    11 88% Cornish + 12% French_Basque @ 3.85
    12 68.3% IE + 31.7% FR @ 3.9
    13 85.8% IE + 14.2% Tuscan @ 3.93
    14 83.6% IE + 16.4% North_Italian @ 4.03
    15 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% ES @ 4.09
    16 96.4% Cornish + 3.6% GE @ 4.15
    17 88.2% Scottish + 11.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.18
    18 91.4% IE + 8.6% AJ @ 4.23
    19 96.5% Cornish + 3.5% Armenian @ 4.25
    20 93% IE + 7% Sardinian @ 4.27
    Thanks for that. I get Cornish 4.72 as my closest distance there, so similar to you. Where have you tested and what were your results there?
    Last edited by JonikW; 08-10-2018 at 11:49 AM.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    "Thanks for that. I get Cornish 4.72 as my closest distance there, so similar to you. Where have you tested and what were your results there?"

    I tested from MyHeritage.
    It's not easy here :the law is very restrictive.
    the results were so weird! (29,9 scandinavian,29,6 W british isles,27 iberian!) I guess iberian includes France!
    So i transfered my file to DnaLand and Gedmatch far more relevant and accurate.

    ancestry-report.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    "Thanks for that. I get Cornish 4.72 as my closest distance there, so similar to you. Where have you tested and what were your results there?"

    I tested from MyHeritage.
    It's not easy here :the law is very restrictive.
    the results were so weird! (29,9 scandinavian,29,6 W british isles,27 iberian!) I guess iberian includes France!
    So i transfered my file to DnaLand and Gedmatch far more relevant and accurate.

    ancestry-report.jpg
    Thanks for posting Lucasz's map. It certainly seems to show what a Breton might expect. Did any of your family speak the language in recent generations? I hope youngsters still want to learn it today.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    As a comparison my Jtest

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 9.93
    EAST_EURO 11.27
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.28
    ATLANTIC 31.31
    WEST_MED 13.96
    ASHKENAZI 0.34
    EAST_MED 3.18
    WEST_ASIAN 2.74

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Cornish @ 5.241220
    2 IE @ 6.037948
    3 Orcadian @ 6.815713
    4 Scottish @ 7.216062
    5 English @ 7.330487
    6 NL @ 8.504045
    7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.835683
    8 DK @ 10.145460
    9 FR @ 11.714994
    10 NO @ 12.296010

    The map is not too dissimilar to mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Thanks for posting Lucasz's map. It certainly seems to show what a Breton might expect. Did any of your family speak the language in recent generations? I hope youngsters still want to learn it today.
    Yes my parents were breton speakers
    But I don't!
    Nowadays this language is a dying one despite all efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timberwolf View Post
    As a comparison my Jtest

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 9.93
    EAST_EURO 11.27
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.28
    ATLANTIC 31.31
    WEST_MED 13.96
    ASHKENAZI 0.34
    EAST_MED 3.18
    WEST_ASIAN 2.74

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Cornish @ 5.241220
    2 IE @ 6.037948
    3 Orcadian @ 6.815713
    4 Scottish @ 7.216062
    5 English @ 7.330487
    6 NL @ 8.504045
    7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.835683
    8 DK @ 10.145460
    9 FR @ 11.714994
    10 NO @ 12.296010

    The map is not too dissimilar to mine
    Have you tested K16?


    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 33.4
    2 Steppe 26.02
    3 NorthEastEuropean 21.89
    4 Caucasian 17.85
    5 NorthAfrican 0.39
    6 Indian 0.34
    7 Amerindian 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French (France) 4.03
    2 English (Kent) 5.59
    3 French (WestFrance) 6.31
    4 English (Cornwall) 6.41
    5 Irish (Connacht) 6.46
    6 Scottish (Grampian) 6.61
    7 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 6.67
    8 Irish (Leinster) 6.82
    9 German (Germany) 6.91
    10 Irish (Ulster) 6.93
    11 English (England) 7.01
    12 Scottish (Highlands) 7.03
    13 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 7.41
    14 Scottish (Fife) 7.45
    15 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.58
    16 Irish (Munster) 7.62
    17 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 7.63
    18 Scottish (Borders) 7.79
    19 French (EastFrance) 7.97
    20 Scottish (Argyll_bute)

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    British people seems have less Early Farmers than continental (Neolithics wiped out at bronze age by Bell Beakers)
    Is it true?
    Tested K16 or K23 or something like that?
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    I actually have fairly recent Cornish ancestors, and their descendants moved in to Devon before eventually moving to the London area and marrying more Southeast English families and JTest and EUTest are one of the few calculators with a Cornish population which shows my top result as being some mix of Cornish, Orcadian, Scottish/Irish and Dutch. Usually Orcadian and Cornish switch places depending on the calculator.

    However the other Eurogenes calculators are good at detecting some level of Scottish/Irish, Southwest & Southeast England and some form of Germanic for me (it should be Dutch, usually pops up as North German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish).
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    British people seems have less Early Farmers than continental (Neolithics wiped out at bronze age by Bell Beakers)
    Is it true?
    Tested K16 or K23 or something like that?
    I haven't tested those but would like to. My last visit to Stonehenge was post Beaker paper and I saw things very differently knowing that there's not much of those people left in our DNA.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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