Cornish and Breton ancestry and DNA

[Camulogène Rix]

I haven't tested those but would like to. My last visit to Stonehenge was post Beaker paper and I saw things very differently knowing that there's not much of those people left in our DNA.

Stonehenge phase IV was probably built by the newcomers:

Stonehenge 3 IV (2280 BC to 1930 BC)
This phase saw further rearrangement of the bluestones. They were arranged in a circle between the two rings of sarsens and in an oval at the centre of the inner ring. Some archaeologists argue that some of these bluestones were from a second group brought from Wales. All the stones formed well-spaced uprights without any of the linking lintels inferred in Stonehenge 3 III. The Altar Stone may have been moved within the oval at this time and re-erected vertically. Although this would seem the most impressive phase of work, Stonehenge 3 IV was rather shabbily built compared to its immediate predecessors, as the newly re-installed bluestones were not well-founded and began to fall over. However, only minor changes were made after this phase.

[JonikW]

Stonehenge phase IV was probably built by the newcomers:

Stonehenge 3 IV (2280 BC to 1930 BC)
This phase saw further rearrangement of the bluestones. They were arranged in a circle between the two rings of sarsens and in an oval at the centre of the inner ring. Some archaeologists argue that some of these bluestones were from a second group brought from Wales. All the stones formed well-spaced uprights without any of the linking lintels inferred in Stonehenge 3 III. The Altar Stone may have been moved within the oval at this time and re-erected vertically. Although this would seem the most impressive phase of work, Stonehenge 3 IV was rather shabbily built compared to its immediate predecessors, as the newly re-installed bluestones were not well-founded and began to fall over. However, only minor changes were made after this phase.

There's also evidence of Mesolithic posts at the site as far as I remember. But you're right that there was interaction with the newcomers. That's particularly interesting in light of the more than 90 percent replacement within a few hundred years.

[Clarke]

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[Saetro]

I haven't tested those but would like to. My last visit to Stonehenge was post Beaker paper and I saw things very differently knowing that there's not much of those people left in our DNA.

Speak for yourself.
I score over 40% HG.
I'll just have to own up to friends as being largely primitive, I guess.

Will be heading close to Stonehenge in the near future.
If you see someone near there holding a sign "Beakers out!" that could be me, carried away with myself.

[JonikW]

I'm in the same position as you of course; HG and Bronze Age swamp my Neolithic. Just was really interested in those people as a kid and liked to think of them as my ancestors. As for Stonehenge, when I was a kid you could walk right up to the stones every day; then for years they only allowed you a distant view. On my last visit they'd moved the path so you can get close. Here's a pic I took last October. I hope it whets your appetite because you're in for a treat.

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[glentane]

As Geoff Carter suggests in his excellent blog

It is with some reluctance that I turn to Stonehenge. It is a unique and exceptional monument, and it carries a considerable weight of romantic and scholastic preconceptions. It has strong visual culture reflecting its current state, and to suggest it was once a wooden building seems counter intuitive.

http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...eology-of.html

But he ploughs on bravely

The scale of these structures clearly implies they were built at the limit of what was considered prudent by builders in Prehistory. This is a craft that was several thousand years old, and by this period we have evidence of a new elite who would normally be expected to express wealth and power in the built environment.

My presumption is that Stonehenge was a temple built to house the Bluestones. The unprecedented use of a stone load-bearing wall, and pillars in the centre, is a technological approach reminiscent of Mediterranean Europe, suggesting imported craftsmen. But this is only the very pointy end of a much larger wedge.

http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...henge-was.html
and
http://structuralarchaeology.blogspo...ehenge-as.html

[JonikW]

Has anyone of Cornish or Breton heritage got updated Ancestry, Living DNA or completely new results they could share? Anything interesting to tell?

[Trelvern]

Has anyone of Cornish or Breton heritage got updated Ancestry, Living DNA or completely new results they could share? Anything interesting to tell?

i ordered 28 march 2019 and got "quality review" (Living DNA :76.9 Isles and 15.7 France and neighbouring though full breton on paper trail)
no update at the moment
i sent a message yesterday
no answer yet

[timberwolf]

With LDNA I am pretty sure they have assigned some of my Cornish to Iberia.

[spruithean]

Not necessarily on topic with the previous posts, however through FTDNA I was contacted by a cousin who turns out to share ancestors with me from Cornwall, they still live in the UK and our families parted ways when my branch migrated to Canada. A match like this is a step in the right direction for my paternal grandmother's mother's family, it's not been super straight-forward to trace them.