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Thread: Which L21+ Subclades may have originated in The Isles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I agree with you that L21 did not originate in Britain or Ireland, but some of its subclade probably did.
    Most definitely even for old branches but with BigY etc. we've probably legions that post date the Middle Ages even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacEochaidh View Post
    Are there any L21+ Subclades that may have originated in The Isles, or are they all Continental? Which L21+ Subclades are most likely to have originated in The Isles?

    I'm DF23* and I notice that, with early results, it seems that DF49 all comes from The Isles, but those of DF23+ seem to be more scattered. Could this mean that DF23 originated in the Isles at a time when people from The Isles were beginning to to travel to and from the Continent at a greater rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxonlander View Post
    No the R1b-L21 originates in Central Europe, most likely Germany. It came to the British Isles by way of the Low Countries, notably the Netherlands.
    Dam got excited there for a bit and thought Miles was back, do miss arguing with him, but see that was a very old post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Most definitely even for old branches but with BigY etc. we've probably legions that post date the Middle Ages even.
    I'm pretty sure my terminal SNP originated in North America.
     


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    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I'm pretty sure my terminal SNP originated in North America.
    Most probably, mine definitely originated in the Isles (R-L277 Sted branch) but seeing as it also clearly crops up elsewhere on the tree I don't mention it much : )

    Maybe I should talk to some of my surname matches about getting a BigY : )

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    Which L21 Subs do you think are Isle originals?
    Paternal MDKA Surname Thomas b.c. 1821 from Ireland
    Maternal MDKA Surname Harris b.c. 1720 Calstock, Cornwall

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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Maybe FGC11134?

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