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    new article about King Richard III (J1c2c3)

    I'm copying the announcement below from the FTDNA Forum about a new article by Ian Logan and David Brinkman. David said they are interested in learning about new matches. People who have tested at 23andMe would be labeled J1c2c; some of those would have the mutation for J1c2c3.

    http://www.23andmeforums.com/discuss...ng-richard-iii

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    New DNA/genealogy results on King Richard III
    Our King Richard III project (mtDNA J1c2c3) has reached a significant milestone with the publication of our work in England. 13 of the 20 perfect matches in the world are in FTDNA.

    The paper is available at: http://www.qualifiedgenealogists.org...rticle/view/32

    This brings the project to a level of National and International interest while, at the same time, the local genealogy (NE North Carolina and SE Virginia) has new paths to explore.

    The project results (some going beyond this first paper) are significant and include:

    1. An overwhelming piece of evidence for the bones of King Richard III
    2. J1c2c3 may have been born in England in the Plantagenet Family
    3. Why there are no J1c2c3 matches in Europe
    4. All living J1c2c3 people are likely to be related to the immediate family of King Richard III
    5. The DNA ancestry of the United States is heavily weighted to the Jamestown settlement and the Plantagenets.

    These 5 points are discussed in another research paper at:
    http://www.historysoft.com/richard3/J1c2c3_points.pdf

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    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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    I am J1c2b with maternal origin from south-central Ireland.

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    I am J1c2c2, with Richard III listed as purportedly to be my 1st cousin, 17 times removed on genealogy sources. What's the difference or distance between J1c2c2 and J1c2c3? I've been trying to find more about my grandmother, Elizabeth Olga Bruce and her parentage.
    Last edited by Gavin Charles Gist; 07-22-2019 at 03:36 PM.

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    I am J1c2c2 as well. I think you're correct about Richard III being a very distant cousin. Edward IV would eb a distant cousin as well.

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    All of my non-American mtDNA matches are Swedish. It would be interesting for me to know if J1c2c2 arrived in Sweden from the British Isles, or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin Charles Gist View Post
    I am J1c2c2, with Richard III listed as purportedly to be my 1st cousin, 17 times removed on genealogy sources. What's the difference or distance between J1c2c2 and J1c2c3? I've been trying to find more about my grandmother, Elizabeth Olga Bruce and her parentage.
    I see from YFull that c3 is a SNP downstream from c2, as you might expect, so more recent in time. Basically that means that a c2 carrier had the c3 mutation and passed that on to her descendants. All the c3 testers on YFull are from Britain, unlike with c2. Frustratingly there's no TMRCA estimate that I can see, unlike for Y haplogroups and subclades.
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,100 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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