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    Question Which Gedmatch test shoud I use?

    Hey there!

    I apologize if a similar question has been asked here but I'm pretty new to this topic. I did a DNA test via MyHeritage (I'm living in Germany and I couldn't order an Ancestry kit yet). According to this test I'm mainly North/West European with Iberia and some Balkan. Thing is I know that I have Italian lineage for example as well and although I know that I may not have inherited it I was a bit disappointed at how general my MyHeritage results were. I mean North-West European could be anything from Finland to France.

    My question now is: which Gedmatch test would be best for me as I think I may have quite a bit of Mediterranean or even some little bits of North African/West Asian in me? And which of the tests - as they are SO many - is the most reliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cahira View Post
    Hey there!

    I apologize if a similar question has been asked here but I'm pretty new to this topic. I did a DNA test via MyHeritage (I'm living in Germany and I couldn't order an Ancestry kit yet). According to this test I'm mainly North/West European with Iberia and some Balkan. Thing is I know that I have Italian lineage for example as well and although I know that I may not have inherited it I was a bit disappointed at how general my MyHeritage results were. I mean North-West European could be anything from Finland to France.

    My question now is: which Gedmatch test would be best for me as I think I may have quite a bit of Mediterranean or even some little bits of North African/West Asian in me? And which of the tests - as they are SO many - is the most reliable?

    Try the Eurogenes calculators first. there are several so do not settle for one ancient model. Dodecad has some good ones too. the Oracle is good, and the Oracle 4 is good also. check out the EUtest or something like. check all the models you can to see which one is closest to your known ancestry. some models are more favorable towards certain regions....

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    Thank you for your reply and advice!

    I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

    Eurogenes K13


    Population
    North_Atlantic 42.78
    Baltic 22.12
    West_Med 17.79
    West_Asian 7.45
    East_Med 7.59
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 0.73
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.62
    Northeast_African 0.74
    Sub-Saharan 0.17



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    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 13.49
    EAST_EURO 9.06
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.72
    ATLANTIC 24.23
    WEST_MED 16.12
    EAST_MED 5.81
    WEST_ASIAN 7.17
    MIDDLE_EASTERN -
    SOUTH_ASIAN -
    EAST_AFRICAN -
    EAST_ASIAN -
    SIBERIAN 0.24
    WEST_AFRICAN 0.12



    There were other Eurogenes calculators which didn't spot Africa and Asia at all.

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    [QUOTE=Cahira;251659]Thank you for your reply and advice!

    I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

    Eurogenes K13


    Population
    North_Atlantic 42.78
    Baltic 22.12
    West_Med 17.79
    West_Asian 7.45
    East_Med 7.59
    Red_Sea

    try the Dodecad V3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cahira View Post
    Thank you for your reply and advice!

    I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

    Eurogenes K13


    Population
    North_Atlantic 42.78
    Baltic 22.12
    West_Med 17.79
    West_Asian 7.45
    East_Med 7.59
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 0.73
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.62
    Northeast_African 0.74
    Sub-Saharan 0.17



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    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 13.49
    EAST_EURO 9.06
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.72
    ATLANTIC 24.23
    WEST_MED 16.12
    EAST_MED 5.81
    WEST_ASIAN 7.17
    MIDDLE_EASTERN -
    SOUTH_ASIAN -
    EAST_AFRICAN -
    EAST_ASIAN -
    SIBERIAN 0.24
    WEST_AFRICAN 0.12



    There were other Eurogenes calculators which didn't spot Africa and Asia at all.
    A good rule of thumb is to ignore anything under 1% but since you have German and Italian ancestry Asian and African are not out of the question because of :


    1.) The Moors in southern Europe

    2.) The Huns in Germany


    3.) Slavic influence in East Germany and Austria
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    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

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    [QUOTE=JerryS.;251660]
    Quote Originally Posted by Cahira View Post
    Thank you for your reply and advice!

    I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

    Eurogenes K13


    Population
    North_Atlantic 42.78
    Baltic 22.12
    West_Med 17.79
    West_Asian 7.45
    East_Med 7.59
    Red_Sea

    try the Dodecad V3.
    Thanks again!

    Here it is...

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 46.42
    2 Mediterranean 28.89
    3 East_European 11.68
    4 West_Asian 10.2
    5 Northwest_African 1.06
    6 Southwest_Asian 0.97
    7 Northeast_Asian 0.77


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 CEU (HapMap) 7.81
    2 N._European (Xing) 9.33
    3 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 9.83
    4 Orcadian (HGDP) 9.98
    5 German (Dodecad) 10.2
    6 French (HGDP) 10.21
    7 French (Dodecad) 10.33
    8 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 10.4
    9 Slovenian (Xing) 12.42
    10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 14.81
    11 Dutch (Dodecad) 15.96
    12 Hungarians (Behar) 16.24
    13 Kent (1000 Genomes) 18.04
    14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 19.45
    15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.51
    16 Tuscan (Henn) 19.95
    17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 19.96
    18 TSI (HapMap) 20
    19 British (Dodecad) 20
    20 Tuscan (Xing) 20.14



    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 82.2% CEU (HapMap) + 17.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.29
    2 78.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 21.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.45
    3 77.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 22.5% Greek (Dodecad) 1.47
    4 78.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Greek (Dodecad) 1.91
    5 58.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 41.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 1.92
    6 55.5% British (Dodecad) + 44.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.01
    7 79.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 20.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.11
    8 83.2% CEU (HapMap) + 16.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.12
    9 55.1% French (HGDP) + 44.9% Slovenian (Xing) 2.12
    10 55% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 45% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.13
    11 61.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 38.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.15
    12 55.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 44.4% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.17
    13 83.9% CEU (HapMap) + 16.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.24
    14 79.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.32
    15 76.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.43
    16 78.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.44
    17 80.4% CEU (HapMap) + 19.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.44
    18 82.8% CEU (HapMap) + 17.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.45
    19 80.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 19.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.47
    20 73.2% German (Dodecad) + 26.8% Tuscan (HGDP) 2.51

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewAlbion View Post
    A good rule of thumb is to ignore anything under 1% but since you have German and Italian ancestry Asian and African are not out of the question because of :


    1.) The Moors in southern Europe

    2.) The Huns in Germany


    3.) Slavic influence in East Germany and Austria

    Thank you! The anything under 1 % helps me to understand more. I'm truly fascinated by all of this and I apologize when I write and ask like a noob but I'm really interested in this topic and am grateful for any help and anything I can learn about it.

    Yes, the only thing I know for certain is that I have German, French (probably more than German), Austrian and Italian ancestry. It may sound silly because as someone born and raised in Germany I am well aware that not everyone here is fair and blonde but I look very different. Everyone I meet thinks I am either Italian or at least from South France. I do have some friends from Egypt and they always said I could be mixed Egyptian somehow and I have to admit I see certain resemblances, even the nose, face shape, dark hair and almost black eyes. But at the same time I do have freckles and that certain light skin that is typical for Irish or Scots. I don't seem to really fit anywhere exactly.

    I've never come across any English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish ancestry in my heritage so far at all. So, I'm also surprised when I see Orcadian popping up in several results for example or is this just because they share some Scandi DNA with the Germans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
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    Eurogenes K13



    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 3.25
    2 South_Dutch 3.38
    3 French 6.2
    4 Southeast_English 8.45
    5 Austrian 9.12
    6 North_German 9.66
    7 Southwest_English 9.69
    8 Orcadian 10.31
    9 North_Dutch 10.67
    10 East_German 10.78
    11 Danish 10.82
    12 Irish 11.24
    13 West_Scottish 11.74
    14 Norwegian 12.9
    15 Spanish_Cataluna 13.12
    16 Swedish 13.47
    17 Hungarian 13.51
    18 Spanish_Galicia 14.42
    19 Portuguese 14.5
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.54

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.8% North_German + 18.2% Sardinian 2.32
    2 86.8% West_German + 13.2% Southwest_French 2.34
    3 69.6% Southwest_English + 30.4% Bulgarian 2.41
    4 92% West_German + 8% French_Basque 2.48
    5 95.4% West_German + 4.6% Sardinian 2.53
    6 88.1% West_German + 11.9% Spanish_Cantabria 2.54
    7 66.7% Southwest_English + 33.3% Romanian 2.6
    8 89.9% West_German + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 2.7
    9 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Spanish_Andalucia 2.7
    10 90.7% West_German + 9.3% Spanish_Aragon 2.71
    11 95.4% South_Dutch + 4.6% Sardinian 2.71
    12 88.1% West_German + 11.9% Spanish_Cataluna 2.75
    13 90.5% West_German + 9.5% Spanish_Valencia 2.8
    14 92% South_Dutch + 8% Bulgarian 2.82
    15 89.9% West_German + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.83
    16 90.8% South_Dutch + 9.2% North_Italian 2.83
    17 59.1% Norwegian + 40.9% North_Italian 2.84
    18 90% West_German + 10% Spanish_Galicia 2.84
    19 91.3% South_Dutch + 8.7% Romanian 2.87
    20 91.3% West_German + 8.7% Spanish_Extremadura









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    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 FR 6.47
    2 West_&_Central_German 6.65
    3 NL 6.84
    4 Cornish 7.43
    5 English 8.03
    6 AT 8.68
    7 Orcadian 9.4
    8 IE 9.66
    9 DK 10.99
    10 Scottish 11.15
    11 NO 12.15
    12 South_&_Central_Swedish 12.55
    13 HU 13.51
    14 PT 13.71
    15 ES 14.18
    16 Serbian 15.34
    17 North_Italian 15.49
    18 North_Swedish 15.55
    19 RO 17.29
    20 Tuscan 20.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.7% West_&_Central_German + 11.3% Sardinian 3.57
    2 72.2% NL + 27.8% North_Italian 3.64
    3 51.1% FR + 48.9% West_&_Central_German 3.93
    4 63.7% Orcadian + 36.3% North_Italian 3.95
    5 56.6% NO + 43.4% North_Italian 4
    6 63% IE + 37% North_Italian 4.04
    7 88.9% NL + 11.1% Sardinian 4.04
    8 52.3% FR + 47.7% NL 4.12
    9 70.6% FR + 29.4% South_&_Central_Swedish 4.19
    10 68.6% English + 31.4% North_Italian 4.21
    11 74.4% West_&_Central_German + 25.6% North_Italian 4.25
    12 55.8% South_&_Central_Swedish + 44.2% North_Italian 4.31
    13 75.6% FR + 24.4% North_Swedish 4.32
    14 70.3% FR + 29.7% NO 4.34
    15 83.3% FR + 16.7% West_Russian 4.34
    16 84.6% FR + 15.4% EE 4.35
    17 71.2% Cornish + 28.8% North_Italian 4.35
    18 82% FR + 18% PL 4.38
    19 79.3% NL + 20.7% Tuscan 4.46
    20 86.7% FR + 13.3% LIT 4.46





    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 FR 7.354996
    2 West_&_Central_German 7.400390
    3 NL 7.697181
    4 Cornish 8.436759
    5 English 9.058424
    6 AT 9.850832
    7 Orcadian 10.625271
    8 IE 10.967661
    9 DK 12.453604
    10 Scottish 12.606228
    11 NO 13.791229
    12 South_&_Central_Swedish 14.186061
    13 HU 15.301321
    14 PT 15.513967
    15 ES 16.034159
    16 North_Swedish 17.482002
    17 Serbian 17.740297
    18 North_Italian 17.956528
    19 RO 20.040545
    20 Tuscan 23.746965

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR +50% West_&_Central_German 4.497833


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR +25% HU +25% IE 3.866747


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 FR + IE + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish 3.849377
    2 FR + FR + HU + IE 3.866747
    3 FR + IE + NO + North_Italian 3.954030
    4 FR + North_Italian + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish 3.989489
    5 IE + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.049446
    6 FR + NO + North_Italian + Orcadian 4.050897
    7 FR + FR + HU + Orcadian 4.055195
    8 AT + FR + FR + IE 4.089264
    9 IE + NL + North_Italian + West_&_Central_German 4.102201
    10 English + FR + FR + HU 4.139439
    11 FR + NL + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish 4.159217
    12 FR + FR + HU + Scottish 4.159941
    13 Cornish + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.161526
    14 FR + NL + NO + North_Italian 4.168683
    15 NL + NL + North_Italian + Orcadian 4.174409
    16 AT + English + IE + North_Italian 4.184473
    17 AT + IE + IE + North_Italian 4.188408
    18 FR + North_Italian + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish 4.191140
    19 NL + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.192428
    20 AT + FR + FR + Orcadian 4.201344

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