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    Quote Originally Posted by kyp.snow View Post
    and do you think it's safe to assume that i'm R1a? How accurate is Morley's Predictor?
    Morley's Predictor does nothing more than extract SNPs from your data, so the real question is: "Were MyHeritage's SNP calls accurate?"

    In this case I would definitely say yes. They don't test for many Y-SNPs compared to 23andMe or LivingDNA, but they multiple positive results under R, R1, R1a and underneath. If you were only tested for one SNP per subclade then it would be different, but the presence of multiple positives in multiple subclades means your result appears to be reliable i.e. you are almost certainly under R1a-M417 and you're also most likely somewhere under R1a-Z93, which was a very prevalent group in ancient Indo-Iranians.
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    * Father: R2-SK2142 > Y1383* - M5a1a (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2109 > Y84821 - U7a3a5a
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana: T-M70 > Y11151 - R30b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Morley's Predictor does nothing more than extract SNPs from your data, so the real question is: "Were MyHeritage's SNP calls accurate?"

    In this case I would definitely say yes. They don't test for many Y-SNPs compared to 23andMe or LivingDNA, but they multiple positive results under R, R1, R1a and underneath. If you were only tested for one SNP per subclade then it would be different, but the presence of multiple positives in multiple subclades means your result appears to be reliable i.e. you are almost certainly under R1a-M417 and you're also most likely somewhere under R1a-Z93, which was a very prevalent group in ancient Indo-Iranians.
    Thank you for your help! Maybe I will buy a real test somwhere in the future.

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    This is the only thing i got, from MorleyDNA. All i want to know if the next subclade of the L11.

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    So guys how accurate are these predictions then? 23andmev5, I've not bothered to upload the Ancestry file yet. Any all all insight appreciated. In apparent descending likelihood:
    Last edited by ThaYamamoto; 10-18-2020 at 04:29 PM.

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    23 and me is accurate. If you are using 23 and me raw data, this is likely accurate to some degree. It usually gets the correct base subclade, how much more “recent” depends. I think I’m order to get any sort of mtDNA out of AncestryDNA raw data you need to convert it to 23 and me format. At this point, don’t waste your time as you get accurate results with 23 and me.


    These are separate files presented yea? I know you are L, but it looks like another is J? And N?

    Edit*** sorry, for some reason I thought you were trying to get mtDNA out of these...disregard that part of my comment lol
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    So guys how accurate are these predictions then? 23andmev5, I've not bothered to upload the Ancestry file yet. Any all all insight appreciated.
    MorleyDNA is an old program that uses an old version of ISOGG and because of that it gets a lot wrong. That is why it gets confused with the several false positives and/or recurrent mutations that also exist in other haplogroups such as L88, L198, S108 and M96. You seem to be positive for M22, M95, and M357. Everyone tested by 23andme v5 gets tested for 99.9% of the same Y-DNA SNPs. They are not all included in the MorleyDNA program and they are not all in that version of ISOGG.

    What did 23andme give you? What do you get with https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    23 and me is accurate. If you are using 23 and me raw data, this is likely accurate to some degree. It usually gets the correct base subclade, how much more “recent” depends. I think I’m order to get any sort of mtDNA out of AncestryDNA raw data you need to convert it to 23 and me format. At this point, don’t waste your time as you get accurate results with 23 and me.


    These are separate files presented yea? I know you are L, but it looks like another is J? And N?

    Edit*** sorry, for some reason I thought you were trying to get mtDNA out of these...disregard that part of my comment lol
    Haha yes, my bad I didn't specify. I was just curious if 23andme test for the Kalash or Burusho specific clades of L-M357 or the Balochi clade etc..is it strange that haplogroup A [pygmy/nilote?] is the second most likely? False positive I guess?

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    MorleyDNA is an old program that uses an old version of ISOGG and because of that it gets a lot wrong. That is why it gets confused with the several false positives and/or recurrent mutations that also exist in other haplogroups such as L88, L198, S108 and M96. You seem to be positive for M22, M95, and M357. Everyone tested by 23andme v5 gets tested for 99.9% of the same Y-DNA SNPs. They are not all included in the MorleyDNA program and they are not all in that version of ISOGG.

    What did 23andme give you? What do you get with https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ ?
    Ahh okay...so I do most likely belong to L-M357 yes? Yeah 23andme determined this originally. I just find it weird how A was the second most likely, is this a false positive?

    Cladefinder gives me:

    Most specific position on the YFull YTree is L-M2481 - Negative for all known downstream SNPs. (23andme) - this isn't M357 right?

    Most specific position on the YFull YTree is L Next best prediction (scored 73 compared to 78) LT (Ancestry)

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    I mean, if 23 and Me gives you L-M357, that’s likely too old to be a Kalash or Balochi. You’d have to go more recent than L-M357 to sort that out. Off the top of my head, I don’t recall what the TMRCA date is for L-M357 but my guess is it’s old.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8


    E-V13 => E-PH1246 => E-BY14160
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    So guys how accurate are these predictions then? 23andmev5, I've not bothered to upload the Ancestry file yet. Any all all insight appreciated. In apparent descending likelihood:





    It's a pretty decent tool. For the predicted N and J2 clades, you get negative calls for many of the upstream SNPs.

    The only prediction that looks good is L1c. Did a pretty good job, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    I mean, if 23 and Me gives you L-M357, that’s likely too old to be a Kalash or Balochi. You’d have to go more recent than L-M357 to sort that out. Off the top of my head, I don’t recall what the TMRCA date is for L-M357 but my guess is it’s old.
    Ahh okay cool, I'm excited for the big Y now see exactly which individuals I cluster with.

    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    It's a pretty decent tool. For the predicted N and J2 clades, you get negative calls for many of the upstream SNPs.

    The only prediction that looks good is L1c. Did a pretty good job, no?
    Yep, seems to be.
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