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    Grandad's results

    No matches on FTDNA so far, maybe it takes time to proceed the results?I've recieved them just today.

    Marker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 ** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II ***
    Value 13 22 14 10 11-14 11 15 11 13 11 29
    PANEL 2 (13-25)
    Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
    Value 15 8-9 8 11 23 16 20 29 13-14-15-15
    PANEL 3 (26-37)
    Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
    Value 10 9 19-20 14 14 17 20 34-39 12 10

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    Any ideas on subclade\futher testing?

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    I1* would be tough indeed. The best but most expensive solution would be a full Y or something. I would be interested to know if any SNP testing has been done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassoneg View Post
    I1* would be tough indeed. The best but most expensive solution would be a full Y or something. I would be interested to know if any SNP testing has been done?
    I would echo this.

    Your granddad's haplotype seems to be rather "generic" for I1. Further SNP testing could help you narrow things down.

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    According to World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor your haplotype fits fairly well with I-M253-AS10, which according to Eupedia corresponds to I-Z138.

    The Haplo-I Subclade Predictor has fairly consistent results showing the following: I-M253-AS10 =>68% I-M253-ML =>12% I-M253-AS2 =>5% I-L22-Bothnia =>5% I-M253-AS9a =>4% I-M253-ASgen =>3% I-M253-T13 =>2%

    About I-Z138: Eupedia's Page on Haplogroup I1, specifically linked to grouping by STRs
    Quote Originally Posted by Eupedia
    Z138+ (aka Z139+) is a very disparate subclade. It is found at very low frequency throughout the Germanic world, with a peak in England and Wales (although it could just be because of oversampling in Britain). Besides Germanic countries, it has also been found in Ireland, Portugal, southern Italy, Hungary and Romania. Z138+ corresponds to AS2, AS10, AS1010.2, AS10910, AS1221, AS1414 and Esc-13 in FTDNA's STR-based nomenclature. Z138 is divided in four subclades: S2293 (the largest), S5619, PF1610, and PF2364.
    This isn't definitive and SNP testing would certainly rule out whether your grandfather is I-Z138 or some other subclade of I-M253.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    According to World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor your haplotype fits fairly well with I-M253-AS10, which according to Eupedia corresponds to I-Z138.

    The Haplo-I Subclade Predictor has fairly consistent results showing the following: I-M253-AS10 =>68% I-M253-ML =>12% I-M253-AS2 =>5% I-L22-Bothnia =>5% I-M253-AS9a =>4% I-M253-ASgen =>3% I-M253-T13 =>2%

    About I-Z138: Eupedia's Page on Haplogroup I1, specifically linked to grouping by STRs


    This isn't definitive and SNP testing would certainly rule out whether your grandfather is I-Z138 or some other subclade of I-M253.
    Thanks, i'll take a look at it.

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    I recommend joining the z138 Facebook group. The members have a great deal of knowledge on the subclade and a fairly advanced haplotree for z138ers.

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    I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

    I1 - L759

    Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?


    My Path = ( K-M9+, LT-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

    I1 - L759

    Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?
    I1-L759 is what the Morley subclade predictor spits out when it can't determine a subclade of I1/I-M253, usually from no positive downstream SNPs that define a subclade. Usually comes from extracting the raw data from an AncestryDNA or 23andme test.

    The I1 haplogroup is defined by over 300 SNPs, including the M253 marker that it's most commonly named after. L759 is another one of those 300+ SNPs. Everyone who is M253+ so far is also L759+. So basically, base camp in I1. May be actually on a known subclade, but the original test doesn't test the appropriate markers to verify. You may be able to eliminate some of the subclades that your grandfather is not - those SNPs will show up negative (red) in the Morley predictor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

    I1 - L759

    Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?
    Where was his line from, out of interest?
    Living DNA's former Cautious mode:
    Wales-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    North England-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Closest matches: Sweden; TMRCA 1,300 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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    My cousin gave me this plus many positive and negative snp......are these useless?

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