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Thread: Portuguese Y-DNA J1-M365 cluster

  1. #31
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    Now the Kurd from Erbil (Ancient Arbela) has 37 markers and no match with 25 or 37, so he is equidistant to the Iranian from Mazandaran Big Y tested and to the Portuguese cluster with several Big Y tested. Around 2400 ybp the clade expanded probably associated with the creation of the Achaemenid Empire around 500 BC and after that the Portuguese subgroup expanded associated with the creation of the Portuguese Medieval County and Kingdom around 800/1100 AD. Now we should try to test a Big Y with the Kurd from Erbil and we still have another Kakai from Kirkuk, Iraq in our group. To investigate and understand my own J1 branch I had to study ancient minor-Iranian ethnicties in Northern Iraq and Mesopotamia and I would never guess before genetic genealogy that they were our distant lineage's cousins but we had completely different geopolitical destinies.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

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    Now the Kurd from Erbil (554451 - Barzani) has been reclassified as J1-FGC5989 in FTDNA according to his J1 - M267v3 SNP Pack. FGC5989 is a downstream SNP of our lineage and if he had a BIG Y he would be close to the bifurcation of the Portuguese and Northern Iranian clades around 2500 ybp, probably in the Northern Iranian branch. I saw another Iranian J1-M365 in FTDNA database with 12 STR-markers (566756) but no contact. We have a contrast because the Portuguese cluster is ethnically homogeneous and pretty well connected to each other in a form of a starlike and branching since the early years of the Reconquista in Northern Portugal and the most distant and isolated Brazilian-Portuguese (265306) of the STR-cluster is not matching any other Brazilian-Portuguese in his 12/25/37/67 STR markers, but he is matching (12/1) another distant individual from the Caspian Sea in Baku, no contact but that's a fact that they were always related to the Caspian Sea as Gilakis and Mazandaranis. Clades like ours are trackers of the ancient Iranian peoples and movements. We have a common ancestor at the beginning of the Achaemenid Empire, around 2500 ybp, somewhere in the Iranosphere or very close.
    The Portuguese cluster is associated to the growth of the Portuguese Medieval War Frontier, I am investigating the Y-DNA lineages of the Western Iberian Christian Frontier from the Kingdom of the Suebi/Regnum Suevorum, Vandalorum, Alanorum created with the arrival of the Suebis, Alans and Vandals in NW Iberia (400-500), to the County of Portucale/Condado Portucalense (800-1000) and the creation and consolidation of the Portuguese Kingdom (1100-1200) an ethno-historical warlike State, Portugal was the most identitarian of the Iberian polities with a single language: Portuguese, a native language born in the Minho around Braga, one religion with local religious centers like the Archbishopric of Braga and later Alcobaça, one culture and a relatively homogeneous Christian Portuguese population absorbing others, the model of the first Western European National State with the same Medieval Frontiers and the first modern European Seaborne Empire in four Continents, Europe, Africa, Asia and America, "the first on which the sun never sets". J1-M365>FGC6035 was one of the mainstream Cristãos Velhos lineages of this formation, expanding from the Minho with lineages born, settled and still living in that region who expanded on the warlike frontiers of the Portuguese Kingdom and first Seaborne Empire. That's a very ancient Iranian Mesolithic Y-DNA lineage from the Caspian Sea and Northern Middle East with a Medieval Portuguese branch in Western Atlantic Iberia and in modern Brazil.
    Last edited by RCO; 04-19-2021 at 10:35 PM.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    That's a very ancient Iranian Mesolithic Y-DNA lineage from the Caspian Sea and Northern Middle East with a Medieval Portuguese branch in Western Atlantic Iberia and in modern Brazil.
    Great post and great research effort, RCO. I've been following your research of J1-M365 with great interest and I wish you all possible success.

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