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Thread: What did the Early Slavs look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Scoring something on nmonte does not mean, that you have any actual ancestry from it. Scythians/Sarmatians are very much romanticised and not so important like many people believe them to be. Except of Tatars and Ossetians i don't believe anyone in Europe has significant Sarmatian ancestry. But some Sarmatian y-dna can be found in tiny traces in Europe even in countries like Spain, England,..
    Do you mean Crimean Tatars?

    Sarmatians was an umbrella term for many people of eastern Europe. The 16th century Italian chronicler Alexander Guagnini visiting what is today northern Belarus wrote a book labeling it 'Sarmatiae Europeae descriptio' printed in Krakow in 1578. The book was popular in Europe. He plagiarised a lot of material of Polish chronicler Maciej Stryjkowski who complained to the King of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. But that's another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    I doubt IR1 -like individuals made much impact on proto-Slavs
    Recall he was the "Cimmerian" with Altaic admixture and hg. N
    But in general he was not that different from Bronze Age Hungarians.

    For some reason my nMonte run preferred him instead of more of BR2.

    But other Poles usually get only Bronze Age Hungarians.

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    This is all rather interesting.

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    i think we can all agree that we are...a very....ruddy......people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I made a graph which shows my nMonte results with samples from different time periods:

    Green are Early Medieval Slavic samples. Red are Steppe samples:



    What does it tell us about the origin of Slavs?
    Some more ancient nMonte runs below (this time I used averages):

    Baltic = ancient RISE598 (Late Bronze or Early Iron Sudovia)
    Slavic = average of RISE569, RISE568, Niemcza34, Markowice7
    NW-Germanic = average of HS1, HS2, NO3423, 3DRIF16, 6DRIF3, RISE175, RISE174
    Celtic = avg. of 6DRIF23, HI1, HI4, 6DRIF18, 6DRIF22, 6DRIF21, RISE47, Rathlin1
    E-Steppe = Ze6, RISE600, I0576, I0577, Be9, I0563, RISE493, 497, 515, 516, 554
    MENA = avg. of ancient Iran, Egypt, Levant, Armenia, Anatolia and 3DRIF26
    SE-Euro = average of ancient Mycenaeans and Crete Armenoi
    SW-Euro = mix of Bronze Age and Copper Age Iberians
    SC-Euro = ancient Remedello and Minoans

    I did not average Wielbark samples because they are very different from each other:

    mlukas

    distance=0.105645

    Slavic 47.50
    Baltic 26.95
    Celtic 16.25
    WielbarkKow55 4.45
    E-Steppe 2.65
    WielbarkKow22 1.30
    MENA 0.90
    NW-Germanic 0.00
    SE-Euro 0.00
    SW-Euro 0.00
    SC-Euro 0.00
    WielbarkKow25 0.00
    WielbarkMas5 0.00
    WielbarkKow45 0.00
    WielbarkAvg 0.00

    Restricted:

    distance=0.105702

    Slavic 48.00
    Baltic 26.65
    Celtic 16.65
    WielbarkKow55 4.75
    E-Steppe 2.95
    WielbarkKow22 1.00

    =============

    Tomenable

    distance=0.076744

    Slavic 63.20
    Baltic 13.35
    WielbarkKow55 10.85
    WielbarkKow22 8.30
    SE-Euro 2.75
    MENA 1.45
    E-Steppe 0.10
    NW-Germanic 0.00
    Celtic 0.00
    SW-Euro 0.00
    SC-Euro 0.00
    WielbarkKow25 0.00
    WielbarkMas5 0.00
    WielbarkKow45 0.00
    WielbarkAvg 0.00

    Restricted:

    distance=0.076745

    Slavic 63.4
    Baltic 13.3
    WielbarkKow55 10.8
    WielbarkKow22 8.3
    SE-Euro 2.7
    MENA 1.5

    =============

    Volat

    distance=0.161616

    Slavic 61.20
    Baltic 25.55
    WielbarkKow22 6.70
    E-Steppe 5.35
    SW-Euro 1.20
    NW-Germanic 0.00
    Celtic 0.00
    MENA 0.00
    SE-Euro 0.00
    SC-Euro 0.00
    WielbarkKow25 0.00
    WielbarkMas5 0.00
    WielbarkKow45 0.00
    WielbarkKow55 0.00
    WielbarkAvg 0.00

    Restricted:

    distance=0.105702

    Slavic 61.20
    Baltic 25.55
    WielbarkKow22 6.70
    E-Steppe 5.35
    SW-Euro 1.20

    =============

    Waldemar

    distance=0.097307

    Slavic 57.5
    Baltic 26.2
    WielbarkKow55 10.7
    Celtic 3.8
    SW-Euro 1.2
    E-Steppe 0.6
    NW-Germanic 0.0
    MENA 0.0
    SE-Euro 0.0
    SC-Euro 0.0
    WielbarkKow25 0.0
    WielbarkMas5 0.0
    WielbarkKow45 0.0
    WielbarkKow22 0.0
    WielbarkAvg 0.0

    Restricted:

    distance=0.097337

    Slavic 58.10
    Baltic 26.00
    WielbarkKow55 10.75
    Celtic 3.95
    SW-Euro 1.20

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