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    So my dad's and my haplogroup was originally listed as Q-M242 on 23andMe. Through Living DNA, I found out it's Q-M378 (which is kind of self-evident since we're Ashkenazi). Through WeGene, oddly enough, I found out that my dad is Q-Y2197 (Q1b1a1a1). This was confirmed from my own TeloYears Advanced Ancestry results, which provided a very detailed analysis of my Y-DNA. Now, all of sudden, on 23andMe, my dad's haplogroup has gone from Q-M242 all the way down to Q-Y2750, which is downstream from Q-Y2197.

    Here's the Y-tree for Q-Y2750 (starting from upstream Q-Y2200): https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2200/

    Here's what TeloYears gave me:

    JAS Teloyears Y DNA 1.PNG
    JAS Teloyears Y DNA 2.PNG

    Hope this helps clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    So my dad's and my haplogroup was originally listed as Q-M242 on 23andMe. Through Living DNA, I found out it's Q-M378 (which is kind of self-evident since we're Ashkenazi). Through WeGene, oddly enough, I found out that my dad is Q-Y2197 (Q1b1a1a1). This was confirmed from my own TeloYears Advanced Ancestry results, which provided a very detailed analysis of my Y-DNA. Now, all of sudden, on 23andMe, my dad's haplogroup has gone from Q-M242 all the way down to Q-Y2750, which is downstream from Q-Y2197.

    Here's the Y-tree for Q-Y2750 (starting from upstream Q-Y2200): https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2200/

    Here's what TeloYears gave me:

    JAS Teloyears Y DNA 1.PNG
    JAS Teloyears Y DNA 2.PNG

    Hope this helps clarify
    Thanks! I'm not so familiar with TeloYears. I'll have to read up on them, but I can see now they are not as specific for Q-Y2197.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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    I've used to be Q-M242 without any additional in-depth subclades, and being that I'm an East European Ashkenazi Jew from all sides with oral tradition of at least 9 generations, I thought it might be of Khazar origins.

    However, after realizing most Q-M242 among Ashkenazi Jews is the Near Eastern Q-M378 subclade, I suspected it might be it. So I've originally downloaded my raw data and processed in "MorleyDNA.com Y-SNP Subclade Predictor", to determine that my Q-M242 sub-clade is most likely Q1b1 (Q-M378, Q-L214, Q-L215 , Q-L245).

    I've even addressed 23andme after that to see if they can give me additional data, to which they answered:

    We do not have any additional information beyond the history provided in the Haplogroups report in your 23andMe account.
    So I was about to purchase FTDNA's Big Y kit, when finally 23andme gave me the following update:



    So I now know I'm Q-M378 with the specific Q-YP3924.

    I checked on https://www.yfull.com my own tree, and this is what I got for Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC19XX -> Q-Y2209:



    It seems to have formed 3500 years ago, in Jordan.

    Then, when I got to the deeper branch of the subclade, Q-Y2225, it seems to have formed roughly ~3900 years before present:



    It seems to confirm that our Q-Y2200 paternal haplogroups originate from the Late Bronze Age (even Iron Age) Levant.

    Also, according to FTDNA Jewish Q haplogroup:

    In the Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jewish population we are finding that those from Haplogroup Q are Q-Y2200. There appears to be one more mutation downstream (Q-Y2232) that really is only found among Jewish men.

    In addition, there are several branches of Q found in Sephardi, Yemeni, and Greek Jewish populations.
    And, according Gurianov et al. (2014), which found M378 in Ashkenazi Jews:



    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ome_Sequencing

    AJ1 and AJ2 in the bottom are Ashkenazi Jews.

    In any case, myself and @Agamemnon are discussing the origins of this subclade in another thread (in which @jonahst is also a live participant), and he proposes some very interesting insights on the matter, check out these posts of his:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post460692

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post461276

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post461308
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    My Y-DNA: Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC1904 -> Q-Y2209 -> Q-Y2225 -> Q-Y2197 -> Q-Y2750 -> Q-YP1004 -> Q-YP3924;
    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

    My dad's mtDNA: K2a2a;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    I've used to be Q-M242 without any additional in-depth subclades, and being that I'm an East European Ashkenazi Jew from all sides with oral tradition of at least 9 generations, I thought it might be of Khazar origins.

    However, after realizing most Q-M242 among Ashkenazi Jews is the Near Eastern Q-M378 subclade, I suspected it might be it. So I've originally downloaded my raw data and processed in "MorleyDNA.com Y-SNP Subclade Predictor", to determine that my Q-M242 sub-clade is most likely Q1b1 (Q-M378, Q-L214, Q-L215 , Q-L245).

    I've even addressed 23andme after that to see if they can give me additional data, to which they answered:



    So I was about to purchase FTDNA's Big Y kit, when finally 23andme gave me the following update:



    So I now know I'm Q-M378 with the specific Q-YP3924.

    I checked on https://www.yfull.com my own tree, and this is what I got for Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC19XX -> Q-Y2209:



    It seems to have formed 3500 years ago, in Jordan.

    Then, when I got to the deeper branch of the subclade, Q-Y2225, it seems to have formed roughly ~3900 years before present:



    It seems to confirm that our Q-Y2200 paternal haplogroups originate from the Late Bronze Age (even Iron Age) Levant.

    Also, according to FTDNA Jewish Q haplogroup:



    And, according Gurianov et al. (2014), which found M378 in Ashkenazi Jews:



    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ome_Sequencing

    AJ1 and AJ2 in the bottom are Ashkenazi Jews.

    In any case, myself and @Agamemnon are discussing the origins of this subclade in another thread (in which @jonahst is also a live participant), and he proposes some very interesting insights on the matter, check out these posts of his:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post460692

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post461276

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post461308
    23andme did get pretty specific for you, but Big Y or Full Genomes is still best.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1
    Paternal Grandmother’s mtDNA: U5a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Táltos View Post
    23andme did get pretty specific for you, but Big Y or Full Genomes is still best.
    I might consider doing it anyhow. In the meantime, 23andme provides enough in-depth branches. I hope as Jewish Q haplogroups and sub-branches get specific enough, my subbranch (Q-YP392) which is at the moment not listed anywhere as associated to any specific ethnic group, will also be added as well. I've contacted FTDNA's Jewish Q group to add my branch, hope to hear back from them.


    EDIT: So I was looking in the FTDNA Jewish Q project, and found out that there are additional 2 members from Poland with my specific Q-YP3924. I've also discovered that albeit 23andme doesn't reveal this, Q-YP3924 does down stream from Y2232, which is the specific additional marker found among Ashkenazi Jews:

    In the Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jewish population we are finding that those from Haplogroup Q are Q-Y2200. There appears to be one more mutation downstream (Q-Y2232) that really is only found among Jewish men.
    What is interesting for me is that I've managed to track down my own paternal lineage to 1791 Poland, when my ancestor was given my family last name (which is a very rare last name).

    So the fact that these two Polish Jews carry the same sub branch as myself makes a lot of sense.

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    My Y-DNA: Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC1904 -> Q-Y2209 -> Q-Y2225 -> Q-Y2197 -> Q-Y2750 -> Q-YP1004 -> Q-YP3924;
    My mtDNA: K1a1b1a;

    My dad's mtDNA: K2a2a;

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwa714 View Post
    Hi everybody, sorry I haven't been on here for a while, forgot that this account even existed for a while. I recently found out my more detailed haplogroup is Q-Y2197. Does anyone have any info on this haplogroup? Thanks a lot!
    Hi , I am new to the forum. I have same Haplogroup. born at south east corner of Belarus, ethnicity Ashkenazi Jew 99.8%, As I know my family is from Belarus/Ukraine. Seems that there is no too much information about this haplogroup.
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