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    Noneuropean Segments in Otherwise European People

    Hi guys, I wanted to open up a discussion on the validity of "surprise" nonEuropean segments in your results.

    Personally, livingDNA assigns me 4.1% South Asian Pashtun which is actually a fairly significant number (present in all modes Cautious-Complete). My paper ancestry is primarily English, German, Irish with French, Swiss, and Luxembourg Germanic influence as well as Scandinavian.

    Other tests have placed me varying degrees of trace nonEuropean-- MyHeritage 2.5% North African, 23andMe .1% North African/Middle Eastern, FamilyTreeDNA 1% East Central Africa (formerly 5% Middle Eastern), but all could be dismissed as noise or admixture from the Southern European-Iberian, Balkan or Italian that consistently shows as a minority share of my admixture.

    Pashtun is interesting because A. It's so specific B. The confidence appears high and C. its not commonly associated with Southern Europeans. Interestingly though, in Cautious mode Pashtun related ancestry includes Armenia and Cyprus, which is much more believable.

    Thoughts? I've seen several predominately English people with Near East, Central Asian or African parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greerpalmer View Post
    Hi guys, I wanted to open up a discussion on the validity of "surprise" nonEuropean segments in your results.

    Personally, livingDNA assigns me 4.1% South Asian Pashtun which is actually a fairly significant number (present in all modes Cautious-Complete). My paper ancestry is primarily English, German, Irish with French, Swiss, and Luxembourg Germanic influence as well as Scandinavian.

    Other tests have placed me varying degrees of trace nonEuropean-- MyHeritage 2.5% North African, 23andMe .1% North African/Middle Eastern, FamilyTreeDNA 1% East Central Africa (formerly 5% Middle Eastern), but all could be dismissed as noise or admixture from the Southern European-Iberian, Balkan or Italian that consistently shows as a minority share of my admixture.

    Pashtun is interesting because A. It's so specific B. The confidence appears high and C. its not commonly associated with Southern Europeans. Interestingly though, in Cautious mode Pashtun related ancestry includes Armenia and Cyprus, which is much more believable.

    Thoughts? I've seen several predominately English people with Near East, Central Asian or African parts.
    How far have you gotten back with your paper ancestry?

    I know it's possibly a long shot, but from a quick search, it says Pashtuns are primarily located in Pakistan. There has been military activity in Pakistan, including by the British, even in the World War years. Do you think it's a possibility that something may have gotten mixed in at that time?
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    Pashtuns Are also in Afghanistan, all around the Kyber Pass area, I think it’s possible it could be a British connection, I know I personally have family stories about the Napoleonic wars, and bring a French woman back to the UK.
    For you a few generations later moving to the States, sounds plausible, certainly if this keeps popping up and many tests.
    I think even Prince William and co, have Indian dna in their tree and in paper trail, so why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousAboutStuff View Post
    How far have you gotten back with your paper ancestry?

    I know it's possibly a long shot, but from a quick search, it says Pashtuns are primarily located in Pakistan. There has been military activity in Pakistan, including by the British, even in the World War years. Do you think it's a possibility that something may have gotten mixed in at that time?
    I'm mostly colonial american with most of my ancestry coming over in the first half of the 1600's so recent War activity is not possible. I do have more recent Irish and German lines that I have trouble dating past the 1800's. I also have a great grandfather that came over from Cornwall, the most recent immigration in my tree, but most of his lines are fairly well documented.

    I feel like I have a really good paper trail, but it only takes one line of unknown...

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    Considering non-European DNA is appearing in every test that you've taken, I'd say that it is probably real but from a long time ago so that it would be unknown to your family today. Europe is connected to Asia and Africa so it is possible that someone from those areas got in the mix at some stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greerpalmer View Post
    I'm mostly colonial american with most of my ancestry coming over in the first half of the 1600's so recent War activity is not possible. I do have more recent Irish and German lines that I have trouble dating past the 1800's. I also have a great grandfather that came over from Cornwall, the most recent immigration in my tree, but most of his lines are fairly well documented.

    I feel like I have a really good paper trail, but it only takes one line of unknown...
    Ah, I understand.
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    Anyone familiar with Romani people and how they may report on livingDNA? They're Indo-Aryan with origins northwest of India....I'd assume they were present in England, as well as Germany, France, etc.
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    I find 4% quite much. It may be colonial; it may be Romani, there were lots of such families in England; maybe professions can shed some light on it (stereotypically circus work, or artist things; I heard Charlie Chaplin had Roma ancestry, but I am not sure of it. Other professions may be broom maker or more ordinary things like shoe maker). I am not an expert on Roma though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Pashtuns Are also in Afghanistan, all around the Kyber Pass area, I think it’s possible it could be a British connection, I know I personally have family stories about the Napoleonic wars, and bring a French woman back to the UK.
    For you a few generations later moving to the States, sounds plausible, certainly if this keeps popping up and many tests.
    I think even Prince William and co, have Indian dna in their tree and in paper trail, so why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    I find 4% quite much. It may be colonial; it may be Romani, there were lots of such families in England; maybe professions can shed some light on it.
    Good thought, from what I've seen I come from heavy farmer, dairymen and laborer stock. I've never paid too much attention so I will going forward.

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