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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillar_of_fire View Post
    The Y67 results for 343579 and 331346 are in. In the mean time I ordered also L277 for both of them.

    What are the typical DYS values for L277 apart from DYS392=14?
    Thanks Pillar of fire. It's really a matter of all L277.1 haplotypes having DYS392=14 so far. However, they could be something else too.
    216616 Tanoli R1b1a2 12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 14 28 for example is L277.1- for example. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ion=ycolorized
    Somemore discussion of L277.1 haplotypes can be found on this thread. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...t-L277-1*-2014 343579 and 331346 strong candidates to be L277.1 +
    Congratulations on getting all 67 STR markers for 315636 too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe B View Post
    Thanks Pillar of fire. It's really a matter of all L277.1 haplotypes having DYS392=14 so far. However, they could be something else too.
    216616 Tanoli R1b1a2 12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 14 28 for example is L277.1- for example. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ion=ycolorized
    Somemore discussion of L277.1 haplotypes can be found on this thread. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...t-L277-1*-2014 343579 and 331346 strong candidates to be L277.1 +
    Congratulations on getting all 67 STR markers for 315636 too.
    My pleasure, thanks for the link to the thread,
    The 315636 came in today, while the results for 343579 and 331346 came in yesterday. The test of 315636 was stuck for several weeks on the 13 - 37 panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    Hi Joe. Thanks for the info. There is also the Assyrian from 23andMe, Mezdo (213878).

    12 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 12 12 14 27 17 9-10 11 11 24 16 19 29 15-15-15-18 11 12 19-23 16 16 16 16 35-37 12 12
    Hi, Joe. Just a quick question. It appears that Mezdo is no longer categorized as confirmed for L277. I know he has not tested the SNP at FTDNA, but he was one of the men at 23andMe in which the SNP was first identified in 2010/11.

    Also, do you think that the Assyrian Sada (190249) is a candidate for L277?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    Hi, Joe. Just a quick question. It appears that Mezdo is no longer categorized as confirmed for L277. I know he has not tested the SNP at FTDNA, but he was one of the men at 23andMe in which the SNP was first identified in 2010/11.

    Also, do you think that the Assyrian Sada (190249) is a candidate for L277?
    Mezdo is corrected. Just did the same thing for #435 the other day. 190249 testing for L277.1 is a good plan and then Z2103 only if L277 is negative.
    Last edited by Joe B; 02-15-2015 at 11:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    There are 18 categories within the Jewish R1b project. Many of it's members would be considered neither L277 or L584-.

    In fact 24 members are L277- and L584+.45475 from Lithuania is L23+ L584+ L943+ L944+ L945+ & L946+ (Ashkenazi "Group C")--R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) You also have members who are L584- and L277+

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    L277 has been found in Central Europe and as far away as East India.

    L277and L584 are not exclusive to any group. They belong to a much larger family R-M269+ and L23+ 110+/- million Europeans .
    Upadate;
    L277and L584 are not exclusive to any group. They belong to a much larger family R-M269+ and L23+ 110+/- million Europeans

    We are closing in on 5 years since this thread was started.
    R1b-L584+ also found in Dagestan Russia.
    R-L584* id:ERR1347667 RUS [RU-DA]

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-L584/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Upadate;
    L277and L584 are not exclusive to any group. They belong to a much larger family R-M269+ and L23+ 110+/- million Europeans

    We are closing in on 5 years since this thread was started.
    R1b-L584+ also found in Dagestan Russia.
    R-L584* id:ERR1347667 RUS [RU-DA]

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-L584/
    Thanks for clarifying that non-problem.
    Last edited by Joe B; 07-22-2017 at 05:31 PM.
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    Anybody know who the lecturer of the 3+/- year old video below? The segment/clip 43-49 minutes is of interest. Brings up some points about R1b. Armenians and "autochthonous" 10000-15000 years ago. Armenians also have R1b L277 and L584. Unless there is an updated version of this video?



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    duplicate sorry people
    Jedem das Seine--suum cuique, a fundamental juridical concept meaning "to each his own"
    Novotitorovka culture 33002700 BC, Yamnaya[Volga]-33002600 BC, Afanasievo[South Siberia]-3300 BCE 2500 BCE, Croatia/Vucedol culture-3000 BC 2200 BC, Catacomb-28002200 BC, Eastern Bell Beaker-]28001800 BCE, Poltavka-27002100 BC, Sintashta-Arkaim culture 21001800 BCE, Scythian-9th century BC up until the 4th century AD, Sarmatian-4th, 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    Peter Hrechdakian
    Who is he? The same one who's name is on the 2013 study by Lucotte https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1RI...hDTE91M1U/edit and
    2014 study"Different waves and directions of Neolithic migrations in the Armenian Highland"? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4249771/
    Some interesting conclusions with regards to R1b1a2-M269, from the 2014 study.
    Again comparing my post with the above papers 09-14-2012, 01:24 AM "L277and L584 are not exclusive to any group. They belong to a much larger family R-M269+ and L23+ 110+/- million Europeans "

    Hopefully we will resolve R1b-M269 and L277, L584 origin from Levant-Middle East or Europe with more ancient samples.

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