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    In Eastern Galicia (present-day Western Ukraine and parts of South-Eastern Poland) ethnic and national identity correlated with religion, with mainly Roman Catholics identifying as Poles and Greek Catholics usually as Ukrainians (there were even families in which siblings had different ethnic / national identities). Here is a map of Polish and Ukrainian (including Rusyns / Ruthenians) areas in 1900:



    Political situation in the late 16th century:



    Borders of I RP in year 1772 and of II RP between the World Wars:



    This is a very good book (below I post Table 4.45 from this book):

    https://books.google.pl/books/about/...gC&redir_esc=y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    We have strong ties with West Ukrainians, but weaker with East Ukrainians.
    At all sorts of lesser levels too.For instance my Ukrainian housekeeper's family also has your W6a MtDna. They are from Mostyska a few kilometers from the Polish-Ukrainian border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maybe he really meant cousin?:

    Don't tell me that's the secret homeland of the Slavs! 🙈

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    At all sorts of lesser levels too.For instance my Ukrainian housekeeper's family also has your W6a MtDna. They are from Mostyska a few kilometers from the Polish-Ukrainian border.
    Yes, W6a is typically Slavic, according to The Cid and Eupedia's articles about its distribution:

    http://www.thecid.com

    I also like how W6a is clearly connected with the PIE community, just look at ancient samples:

    ~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya, Lopatino II
    ~3260-2630 BC, Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis
    ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt

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    Lately there are a lot of (some 1,5 - 2 million) Ukrainian immigrants in Poland and we are getting along very well. Also in my area there are a lot of Ukrainian immigrants and war refugees.

    If you read Polish:

    http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/wiado...0,2304520.html

    http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/rapor...0,2202972.html

    http://wschodnik.pl/ukraina/item/111...-w-polsce.html

    Z badań przeprowadzonych przez Dom Badawczy Maison w styczniu 2016 na zlecenie ZPP wynika, że aż 52 proc. Polaków pozytywnie odnosi się do przyznania stałego pobytu Ukraińcom przebywającym w Polsce. Przeciwnego zdania jest 28 proc. badanych. Sympatia wydaje się obopólna, bo deklaruje ją aż 79 proc. mieszkańców zachodniej Ukrainy. (...) Przebywający w Polsce Ukraińcy są często bardzo dobrze wykształceni. 64 proc. z nich jest po szkołach wyższych i średnich, co jest dużą wartością dla naszej gospodarki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Lately there are a lot of (some 1,5 - 2 million) Ukrainian immigrants in Poland and we are getting along very well. Also in my area there are a lot of Ukrainian immigrants and war refugees.

    If you read Polish:

    http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/wiado...0,2304520.html

    http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/rapor...0,2202972.html

    http://wschodnik.pl/ukraina/item/111...-w-polsce.html
    The largest number of foreign workers in Poland maybe from Ukraine.

    The Sejm of Poland on Thursday passed a new bill related to popularization of employment and labor market institutions, amending the law on temporary employment of foreigners, the Polish Radio has reported.
    According to the publication, the legislative amendments introduce the fee (PLN 30) for the registration of applications of employers who want to hire foreigners.
    The bill concerns foreigners who are carrying out long-term works in Poland. These are citizens of Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and Russia who will be able to use the relaxed labor market access rules.
    According to the amendments to the law, along with job permits issued by governors of regions for the period of up to three years, the permits for seasonal work will be issued by district heads (for the period of up to eight months during a calendar year).
    The register of hired foreigners will be created.

    http://open4business.com.ua/polish-s...es-ukrainians/

    According to official statistics number of foreign workers in Poland in 2016

    Ukrainians - 611 thousands
    Moldovans - 9 thousands
    Belarusians 7.9 thousands
    http://belchas.by/news/rabota-za-gra...-belarusi.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Ukrainians of Chernihiv should have been Belarusian. Ukrainians of Chernihiv are anthropologically similar to Belarusians and eastern Lithuanians. They even identified themselves "Litvin" (not to be confused with Baltic speaking Lithuanians) in the past. The rest of Ukrainians are as Poles or Russians (Donbass & Crimea).
    Not of Chernihiv, but of the borderline villages of the Chernihiv region. And by your logic, Belarusians of Brest region should have been Ukrainian. Lets not delve into the should territory. As for Poles and russians - that's even a weirder statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aha View Post
    Not of Chernihiv, but of the borderline villages of the Chernihiv region. And by your logic, Belarusians of Brest region should have been Ukrainian. Lets not delve into the should territory. As for Poles and russians - that's even a weirder statement
    The census of 1897 accounted for language rather than ethnic identity. Back then the dialect of western Poleshuk was considered as part Malorosian (Ukrainian) dialect which is not the case as stated by several linguists. I was not talking about entire Chernihiv region, but rather certain districts of Chernihiv region. Of course the territories won't be transfered because people of Chernihiv identify themselves Ukrainians today. The same goes for the Poleshuks on both sides of the border. Poleshuks of Ukrainian Polesie are Ukrainians, while Poleshuks of Belarusian Polesie are Belarusians.

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    As for my personal impressions and experience - Poles and Ukrainians by their values, culture and language closer to each other than to russians. The only exception might be Donbas and other places with heavy russian minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    The largest number of foreign workers in Poland maybe from Ukraine.




    According to official statistics number of foreign workers in Poland in 2016

    Ukrainians - 611 thousands
    Moldovans - 9 thousands
    Belarusians 7.9 thousands
    http://belchas.by/news/rabota-za-gra...-belarusi.html
    You know official stats for foreigh workers are always biased.

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